How would you address Button Bloat on healers?

[WaxSw]

It all started from someone saying that Addersgall works like lilies, which is true. The only difference is that the former is gained every 20s, the latter every 30s. You then said that Addersgall is copy and paste from Aetherflow, but this is objectively false as SCH has the option to convert Aetherflow into damage, which SGE can't do. You can engage in mental gymnastics and say they are the same because, after all, SCH too gains three stacks every 60s, but I'm not sure what you are aiming for with all this useless nitpicking?

Similarities between Lillies and Addersgall:
-Both resources are generated over time and not even at the same rate

They dont even use the same heals (Gcd vs oGCD), the heals are not unlocked at similar levels nor have similar effects, they dont reward the player nor work for the mp economy of the job in the same way

Similarities between Aetherflow and Addersgall:
-Both are unlocked at lv45
-Both generate 3 stacks of the resource per minute
-Both are used for oGCD heals
-Both have said oGCDs that follow the same pattern of: 1s recast time st ogcd heal (unlocked at lv45), 45s recast time stronger ogcd st heal (unlocked at 62), 15s aoe 100 potency regen heal with mitigation with 30s recast (unlocked at 50 and gets upgraded at lv78), 30s recast aoe burst heal of 400 potency (unlocked at 52)
-Both have an action unlocked at lv74 with 90s cd that allow for one potential additional stack
-Both have mp restoration effects attached to them with similar values (20% vs 21% per minute)

Only difference between both systems is that sage gains it in a passive way and do not have ED leeching it.

The only "objective" things here is that lillies have much less in common with addersgall in how they work than aetherflow and that addersgall and aetherflow are the most identical core systems two jobs have in the game.

[Liam_Harper]

The only "objective" things here is that lillies have much less in common with addersgall in how they work than aetherflow and that addersgall and aetherflow are the most identical core systems two jobs have in the game.

The only reason Lilies aren't similar to Addersgall is that they're flat out worse in almost every way.

-Adders generates outside of combat and while dead. Lilies don't.
-Adders can be generated with an oGCD. Lilies can't.
-Adders abilities are unlocked earlier. WHM must wait 24 extra levels for their Ixochole.
-Adders grants access to 4 heals. Lilies only gets 2.
-Adders are free oGCD's. Lilies are GCDs with a potency loss.
-Adders restores 7% mana, Lilies save 4% you would have spent on Glare.
-Adders charges once per 20 sec. Lilies once per 30 sec.

The only advantage Rapture has is having no cooldown, while Ixo is 30 sec. That's it. Otherwise they're so much worse it's beyond a joke.

[Deceptus]

-Adders are free oGCD's. Lilies are GCDs with a potency loss.

Toxikon is a potency loss in most forms as well. Less than a Dosis in single target and a dps loss vs Dyskrasia when there are 3 ore more targets.

[Mimilu]

Toxikon is a potency loss in most forms as well. Less than a Dosis in single target and a dps loss vs Dyskrasia when there are 3 ore more targets.

Toxikon isn’t tied to Addersgall like Misery is tied to Lilies though, which is what the post you’re quoting is talking about.