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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowVix View Post
    then don't do roulettes. the purpose of the bonus exp is to catch up when you don't have MSQ exp available.
    "Sorry friends and FC mates, I know this is a multiplayer game, but I can't help you with roulettes or specific-queue activities since I have a lot of MSQ XP to earn and should only be using the roulette XP bonus to catch up on secondary jobs." What an awful attitude to have! Bonus XP from roulettes isn't a catch up mechanism, it's a bribe to get people to do roulettes to help people get through story content. Roulettes are 100% intended to be done while progressing through the MSQ.

    Also, the idea of switching between jobs to avoid over-leveling is bogus. I already had to limit the activities I had available and stop doing non-MSQ quests to limit XP gain and prevent being 15+ levels higher than the progression point I was at. I have a main character (the one I'm posting on) to do the multiple job thing on. The alt in question is a single job tank; I have no interest in doing other jobs on her. I would argue that the dev team intend for people to play through the MSQ on a single job and not switch between multiple ones while going through the game the first time.

    The dev team intentionally increased XP gain through the MSQ to help new players get to higher levels more quickly so they can play with their higher level friends sooner. They changed a fundamental mechanic of the game, so it's not uncalled for to ask to have another fundamental mechanic (gear progression) be adjusted to align with the deliberately increased XP gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eriane_Elis View Post
    lol this idea doesn't make any sense. Why would you want gear to be available when you haven't taken the time to unlock it yet? It's a progression game. You can always use crafted gear, it's not like you're forced to use poetic gear to progress. It just makes it slightly faster but you won't die because you don't have it.
    Because xp gain is decidedly broken for previous expansions, especially with road to 80
    Because if you were "allowed" to get gear that you haven't "unlocked" yet, you could easily be level 70 with level 56 gear because you're in the middle of HW MSQ.
    Because it only makes sense to have to "unlock" it in the most recent expansion because you can't get the tomestones before level cap.
    Because your "rule" is completely superficial and makes less sense since they can just purchase crafted gear.....
    Because stuff like this leads people to skipping cutscenes through MSQ to finally "catch up" to their level and unlock the stuff they should have access to
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    Because xp gain is decidedly broken for previous expansions, especially with road to 80
    Because if you were "allowed" to get gear that you haven't "unlocked" yet, you could easily be level 70 with level 56 gear because you're in the middle of HW MSQ.
    Because it only makes sense to have to "unlock" it in the most recent expansion because you can't get the tomestones before level cap.
    Because your "rule" is completely superficial and makes less sense since they can just purchase crafted gear.....
    Because stuff like this leads people to skipping cutscenes through MSQ to finally "catch up" to their level and unlock the stuff they should have access to
    But tome gear isnt the end all, best gear for the level range.. It's outclassed and replaced after a couple of levels anyway..

    crafted gear exists, npc gear exists (maybe you cant buy it from the npc's yet but you can buy it from the marketboard) and the biggest thing, is that if you're doing story content, you dont *need* gear ten levels higher than the story content. Its not going to make that much of a difference anyway.

    If you really want higher level gear but havent unlocked the tome vender yet, just by it off the marketboard.

    But especially your last point, "this leads people to skipping cutscenes through msq to catch up to their level" this is the first i've heard of this, and this is, im sorry, very dumb. "I've invested 70 hours into this story and its world, and there's some crazy stuff happening in the story, But i really want to wear this cool hat so... -skip-"
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post
    Because xp gain is decidedly broken for previous expansions, especially with road to 80
    Because if you were "allowed" to get gear that you haven't "unlocked" yet, you could easily be level 70 with level 56 gear because you're in the middle of HW MSQ.
    Because it only makes sense to have to "unlock" it in the most recent expansion because you can't get the tomestones before level cap.
    Because your "rule" is completely superficial and makes less sense since they can just purchase crafted gear.....
    Because stuff like this leads people to skipping cutscenes through MSQ to finally "catch up" to their level and unlock the stuff they should have access to
    If people skip cutscenes because they can't add 10pts of damage per second, then it's on them. It makes zero sense on why someone would do this LOL. You don't need poetic gear to progress through the game and you can absolutely do everything way undergeared. Again, you can get gear from quests, purchasing from NPCs, purchase from MB, get them as dungeon drops etc... You're not meant to rush through the game, that is entirely on YOU. Slow down and enjoy the game instead of holding out your hand and hoping everything is given out to you pro-bono. Earn your gear like everybody else. This is by large, a single player game with multiplayer functionality and you don't need to be at the end-game to be able to play with"your friends". If your friends really wanted to play with you, they would play with you regardless where you are in the story or level. If you don't occasionally do things the hard way then you won't improve very much and it's part of the reason why there are so many level 90s who can't play their class. They just skip everything and rush without even practicing their class and learning their skills thoroughly.

    The game is casual enough, it shouldn't keep getting easier. They are making combat even easier now and give everyone minions really easily which was once difficult to obtain for no reason. Aren't those supposed to be part of an unlockable collection as an achievement? Shame.... But that's what FF14 is becoming, very watered down. Please don't encourage them to water it more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illmaeran View Post
    The dev team intentionally increased XP gain through the MSQ to help new players get to higher levels more quickly so they can play with their higher level friends sooner. They changed a fundamental mechanic of the game, so it's not uncalled for to ask to have another fundamental mechanic (gear progression) be adjusted to align with the deliberately increased XP gain.
    This argument is absolutely asinine and simply wrong. It doesn't matter if you are lvl 76 because you literally can't unlock any lvl 60 or above duty before you finish Heavensward MSQ. You don't get to "play with higher level friends sooner" at all.
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  6. #36
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    Isn't outleveling the content bad enough that you in addition also want to outgear it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ACE135 View Post
    Isn't outleveling the content bad enough that you in addition also want to outgear it?
    Gear progression is what we primarily associate most with character progression in MMOs (at least most of them). Not being able to get gear to match character level can make a player feel like there's a problem with character progression.

    Outgearing the content is irrelevant for most of MSQ because of item level sync in dungeons and trials but certainly some players appreciate being able to kill what little open world creatures are needed for MSQ in 5 seconds instead of 15. The faster they get through all the annoying little chores, the faster they will be doing the things that matter to them.

    What harm is caused by giving players access to the tomestone gear appropriate to their job level? None - the gear was made to be worn at that job level regardless of what content they are doing. We don't have to unequip the gear because we're doing "lesser" content.

    Acquiring the gear helps to bolster the sense of character progression, generally creating a more satisfied player.
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    The solution to this would be just buy story skip, you save time with money, it is as easy and simple as it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravor View Post
    The solution to this would be just buy story skip, you save time with money, it is as easy and simple as it is
    That's not a solution to the tomestone gear problem. That's a solution for those who don't enjoy story.
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    I agree with OP. Since we can already collect the end game poetic stones, why can't we spend them before finishing MSQ? The MSQ is fine for those who enjoy the story, but to force you to go through it all and taunt you with unspendable Tomestones is cruel.
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