Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[StriderShinryu]

No matter, it's not like anyone can pull a zealot away from its fervor.

lol So high and mighty!

Pot meet kettle much?

Let's be completely honest here just for a moment. If there's anyone on this forum that's a zealot, it's you. At a quick glance, about 1 out of every 5 topic threads on the first couple general discussion pages are yours. Clearly you spend way more time thinking about, dreaming about and obsessing about FF14, it's forums and it's player base than anyone else here. Even the most fervent "white knights" and "defenders" and "fanatics" spend less time with FF14 on their mind than you, and they all spend less time trying to sway others to their opinions than you do.

[WaxSw]

Even if you voice it very appropiately the devs don't care and the people that disagree because they can't relate won't care either, even the people that play healer don't care much because most healer mains currently play something else or they just don't play the game after beating msq... Fun can't be explained and a lot of healer mains are not having fun and others don't play it much or just play it cuz they need to fill in.

Even if they dont listen now, they may eventually as long as we keep complaining, one thing is certain the problems won't ever get fixed if no one speaks about them.

Fun can't be explained true but there are some indicators that can help to measure it, right now the healer dedicated forums have for example an ongoing over 100 page thread about healers quitting healing, something unique that neither the dps forum nor the tank forum have and at least tell us there is "something" wrong, there are already logs showing how healers are spamming their nuke hundreds of times, more than any other action in their kit by a wide margin, unless cookie clicker is their idea of good gameplay that also shows there is "something" wrong. Fun can't be explained but if the devs can't see there is something wrong with their design it is because they either lack the experience to do it (which would a be problem because they are the devs) or outright refuse to do it and in both scenarios they need to be called out.

[Deceptus]

Even if they dont listen now, they may eventually as long as we keep complaining, one thing is certain the problems won't ever get fixed if no one speaks about them.

We have for years and the problem has only gotten worse. And when we bring up very specific examples of what is wrong with healing:

• Eden's Gate Sepulture (savage) was also cleared without healers when it was current content.
• The ultimate coil of bahamut was cleared without healers or dps
• The first two extreme fights being completed without healers.
• The first and second normal raid solod by all the tanks except Dark Knight
• A group of 8 warriors killed the first and second savage fight without healers

Our question gets misconstrued and then We're told "Go Play Ultimate" when Ultimate content doesn't even require healers.

Savage content doesn't require healers.

EX content doesn't require healers.

Dungeon content doesn't require healers.

[Sebazy]

And uh are you having fun with xiv pvp?

Do they not teach reading comprehension anymore?

[MintnHoney]

Do they not teach reading comprehension anymore?

Traditional critical thinking and comprehension are not required educational skills in most countries anymore, no.
Hence the Healer role!

[technole]

To be fair, since some non-raiders are not familiar with optimization, it wasn't like the hard fights were done without healers quickly. Like UCoB all-tanks took some considerable reprog time because of adjusting to limited resources. There is also the gear argument and having BiS in current content like E12S one cause having more VIT changes things quite a bit compared to say minimum ilevel at the beginning of savage tier, like that's about the only heal challenge EW presented so far (week one last floors of savage) The devs balancing of fights and ilevel is a bit lax nowadays. A lot of things change with just +10.

[ForteNightshade]

We have for years and the problem has only gotten worse. And when we bring up very specific examples of what is wrong with healing:

So have Dark Knights and they're finally addressing Living Dead after six years. Granted, I suspect that largely has to do with Sage being horribly equip to heal it in dungeons, which has prompted even JP to be more vocal. But does show if we never stop complaining, they'll eventually cave. Maybe.

I think the argument needs to shift a bit. When Yoshida has an out, he will take it during any Q&A. Or the question will be mistranslated due to a poor summary. Both happened during the LL this go around. Instead of highlighting fights where people aren't even bringing a healer, which the devs can dismiss by citing higher ilvl, being synced down or the tier is tuned larger. We should focus on healers only have a single button, thus making them boring to play.

None of this is to say I'm okay with the healing state, by the way. I'd love if healers actually had to, you know, heal. Alas, it seems the devs are too concerned with little Timmy and Julie struggling. So we have to find something else to focus on first. And I'd rather they address the horrendously boring one button spam on healers first.

[Acece]

Yeah we probably have to straight up say healing is boring yoshi, give us DPS rotations.

If he mistranslates it or misunderstands it we have no hope lol.

[Irenia]

I think the argument needs to shift a bit. When Yoshida has an out, he will take it during any Q&A. Or the question will be mistranslated due to a poor summary. Both happened during the LL this go around. Instead of highlighting fights where people aren't even bringing a healer, which the devs can dismiss by citing higher ilvl, being synced down or the tier is tuned larger. We should focus on healers only have a single button, thus making them boring to play.

I wonder if using the concept of the farm party would help. It's specific to the English community, and I believe it puts the healer's shortcomings in the headlights.

[GrimGale]

Yeah we probably have to straight up say healing is boring yoshi, give us DPS rotations.

If he mistranslates it or misunderstands it we have no hope lol.

>YoshiP give us DPS rotations, please.
>"Go play Sage."
>Sage barely has a rotation, it's the same Glare/Broil/Malefic/Dosis spam as the others!
>"We streamlined Healer dps so that healers can focus on healing, their actual role."
>But we don't have anything to heal!
>"If you want more healing intensive content go play ultimate."
>But healing is still boring/barely required in 99% of the content!
>"Go play ultimate."

We might need the assistance of the japanese community.