Please give us instanced housing.

[Vahlnir]

The only houses worth visiting are almost always FC-owned, and the few that aren't deliberately design and open themselves to the public as social spaces. IMO, they should have never opened housing up to individual players and limited it to FCs and individual players who applied under a public use license.

I do not see the appeal of having houses like we already have with no context, no place in space, no neighbors. I especially do not see the appeal of having magnitudes more houses than we already have, just to most of them to never be visited or used. And if I really just want a space to plop some collectibles, decorate, farm, have private conversations, that is what apartments and island sanctuary are meant to cover.

Your character is not real. They don't need to be sheltered and fed. We don't need more servers putting out even more carbon emissions just for that non-purpose.

Hmm...

I don't know why people care about this so much

That much is obvious.

[SeverianLyonesse]

That much is obvious.

Okay, so enlighten me. Why do you care so much about *instanced housing* specifically? All I generally see on this topic are people either:

1) Indirectly complaining that there is an in-game real-estate economy. Which, I agree is a "bad thing", but also good luck getting the devs to ever reverse that design decision when the whole point of housing scarcity is to keep server load manageable.

2) Whining that they don't have a space of their own. Which is really just a different flavor of complaining that apartments don't have more space or a yard.

In either case, "instanced housing" is just a euphemism. And in both cases, neither player is ever going to get what they want because they aren't addressing the problems head on. Complaints about the real estate market being unregulated and unfair? Totally valid. Complaints about apartments lacking some key amenities available to players with houses? Totally valid. Both of *those* tailored complaints clearly identify a problem to better help the devs come up with solutions.

Whinging for "instanced housing"? What even is that? You want the devs to render an entire, empty neighborhood for every instanced house? You want a yard that you can show off to no one? You want even more houses that are practically empty most of the time? You want *every* player to have the chance to peace out into a private-locked instance where they can AFK or RP alone and congest servers for everyone else who is actually engaging with the game?

This is an antisocial pipe dream. So please. Explain.

[Vahlnir]

Okay, so enlighten me. Why do you care so much about *instanced housing* specifically? All I generally see on this topic are people either:

1) Indirectly complaining that there is an in-game real-estate economy. Which, I agree is a "bad thing", but also good luck getting the devs to ever reverse that design decision when the whole point of housing scarcity is to keep server load manageable.

2) Whining that they don't have a space of their own. Which is really just a different flavor of complaining that apartments don't have more space or a yard.

In either case, "instanced housing" is just a euphemism. And in both cases, neither player is ever going to get what they want because they aren't addressing the problems head on. Complaints about the real estate market being unregulated and unfair? Totally valid. Complaints about apartments lacking some key amenities available to players with houses? Totally valid. Both of *those* tailored complaints clearly identify a problem to better help the devs come up with solutions.

Whinging for "instanced housing"? What even is that? You want the devs to render an entire, empty neighborhood for every instanced house? You want a yard that you can show off to no one? You want even more houses that are practically empty most of the time? You want *every* player to have the chance to peace out into a private-locked instance where they can AFK or RP alone and congest servers for everyone else who is actually engaging with the game?

This is an antisocial pipe dream. So please. Explain.

Sounds like you've already figured it out. You just don't like the reasoning behind it. Housing doesn't have to be a social thing. It shouldn't be a requirement to be social either. A lot of people just want a space of their own to customize, whether it's in public view or something contained to a space that only themselves can enjoy. Housing also serves as a gil sink in a game where gil doesn't have quite as many uses as it probably should. You can't tell me you really don't understand the appeal. Everyone's got something in their lives that they enjoy by themselves. Just because it can be a social affair doesn't mean it has to be. And no, I would never expect them to generate entire neighborhoods for instanced housing. But yeah, basically what it is, is asking for an apartment-like system but with all the bells and whistles of regular housing, exteriors and all. You don't have to like it, and I certainly wouldn't expect you to see the appeal, but that is what is being asked for more or less. Other games (even free to play ones) can do it just fine, so...the "but muh servers!" excuse is getting old. I could see it being less stressful in FF XIV, since they would only be open when people enter them instead of keeping neighborhoods up and running 24/7. No good reason at this point they can't co-exist.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Okay, so enlighten me. Why do you care so much about *instanced housing* specifically? All I generally see on this topic are people either:

1) Indirectly complaining that there is an in-game real-estate economy. Which, I agree is a "bad thing", but also good luck getting the devs to ever reverse that design decision when the whole point of housing scarcity is to keep server load manageable.

2) Whining that they don't have a space of their own. Which is really just a different flavor of complaining that apartments don't have more space or a yard.

In either case, "instanced housing" is just a euphemism. And in both cases, neither player is ever going to get what they want because they aren't addressing the problems head on. Complaints about the real estate market being unregulated and unfair? Totally valid. Complaints about apartments lacking some key amenities available to players with houses? Totally valid. Both of *those* tailored complaints clearly identify a problem to better help the devs come up with solutions.

Whinging for "instanced housing"? What even is that? You want the devs to render an entire, empty neighborhood for every instanced house? You want a yard that you can show off to no one? You want even more houses that are practically empty most of the time? You want *every* player to have the chance to peace out into a private-locked instance where they can AFK or RP alone and congest servers for everyone else who is actually engaging with the game?

This is an antisocial pipe dream. So please. Explain.

Animal Crossing.

There. I explained the popularity and point of a single player home. In two words, no less. Two extremely well known and very popular words.

You're welcome. I trust you will now, in good faith, consider playstyles that are not your own may have a right to exist. /s

[Vahlnir]

Animal Crossing.

There. I explained the popularity and point of a single player home. In two words, no less. Two extremely well known and very popular words.

You're welcome. I trust you will now, in good faith, consider playstyles that are not your own may have a right to exist. /s

Wish I'd have thought of those 2 words. Would have saved me a lot of typing and editing. lol

[DPZ2]

Why would you say that, when the very notion seems to leave you incredibly butthurt?

Because the poster to whom I was responding was venting? Or do you consider "I do not understand what his obsession is with "muh neighborhoods" and I don't care." to be careful constructive criticism?

I played along.

[DPZ2]

Animal Crossing.

There. I explained the popularity and point of a single player home. In two words, no less. Two extremely well known and very popular words.

You're welcome. I trust you will now, in good faith, consider playstyles that are not your own may have a right to exist. /s

Island Sanctuary ... SE's answer to Animal Crossing? Stardew Valley?

[Pyro2hell3]

If they won't/can't do instanced housing precisely which one it is doesn't matter since the end result is the same. There's 2 things they have to do

1. Give fcs without a house some way to access the fc workshop. i mean seriously just put a door to it at the Gc headquarters or something its' that simple to fix.
2. Gardening (if we are lucky island sanctuary will fix this but I'm not holding my breath) Like give us some npc we can pay to grow stuff for us or put a planter box in the inn room

Now housing is a pure vanity system. Granted it will still be a system that doesn't work at all and completely sucks. but at least it won't still actively punish players who can't use it

[Shougun]

Animal Crossing.

There. I explained the popularity and point of a single player home. In two words, no less. Two extremely well known and very popular words.

You're welcome. I trust you will now, in good faith, consider playstyles that are not your own may have a right to exist. /s

I really hope this content does well. I feel it could have a fantastic opportunity if they care for it enough, and keep it going. I doubt it'll be instanced housing at start, but it certainly could migrate that way. Even if it doesn't I still it has a lot of great opportunities that our current housing cannot have. Sincerely wishing this content does well, though it could also easily not lol. If it isn't received well initially I hope they push through and make it right, though that they've delayed it a few times makes me hope that they saw the shock in "this might actually be desirable content" means they've put a lot of thought and concepts into it.

For example lets say they're like oh god no the servers will burn, or some other issue, if players wanted to have an actual full featured house. Sure maybe true, and a lot of money to fix. However, picture you could associate an inn room with a building you can put on it. Or an apartment room, especially if they fix up the apartment system so it can 1:1 meet demands regardless (and later if possible other upgrades). Particularly a feature that might come in value for some players if they do something like the inn room is it's a content with a lot of progression but also will easily look good. Some people want a home but perhaps don't have the time, desire, or skill to make it look awesome - meanwhile a lot of those inn rooms SE has made do look fantastic (so having SE design your room, could be a nice feature/compromise).

It's easy to expect too much out of the system at the gate, and I imagine that might happen initially especially as some people have ran with very little info to make huge statements of what it will do, but to me.. that system is A LOT to look forward to and I hope it does well.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I really hope this content does well. I feel it could have a fantastic opportunity if they care for it enough, and keep it going. I doubt it'll be instanced housing at start, but it certainly could migrate that way. Even if it doesn't I still it has a lot of great opportunities that our current housing cannot have. Sincerely wishing this content does well, though it could also easily not lol. If it isn't received well initially I hope they push through and make it right, though that they've delayed it a few times makes me hope that they saw the shock in "this might actually be desirable content" means they've put a lot of thought and concepts into it.

For example lets say they're like oh god no the servers will burn, or some other issue, if players wanted to have an actual full featured house. Sure maybe true, and a lot of money to fix. However, picture you could associate an inn room with a building you can put on it. Or an apartment room, especially if they fix up the apartment system so it can 1:1 meet demands regardless (and later if possible other upgrades). Particularly a feature that might come in value for some players if they do something like the inn room is it's a content with a lot of progression but also will easily look good. Some people want a home but perhaps don't have the time, desire, or skill to make it look awesome - meanwhile a lot of those inn rooms SE has made do look fantastic (so having SE design your room, could be a nice feature/compromise).

It's easy to expect too much out of the system at the gate, and I imagine that might happen initially especially as some people have ran with very little info to make huge statements of what it will do, but to me.. that system is A LOT to look forward to and I hope it does well.

I half expect it to turn out like chocobo racing. When was the last time that got an update lmao.