I believe Houses SHOULD be sellable/tradable, otherwise what's the point of Gil?

[ZephyrMenodora]

My gil sink is needing to buy White Dyes for 500K a pop all the time...

I even wasted quite a few dying my Glamor Plate directly instead of the item, and was in for quite the rude awakening when I wanted to rearrange my plates and saw that my items were no longer dyed... lol.

[Liam_Harper]

I think gil sinks like the mounts they added are a good idea. Just make them less hideous and I will buy them, make some gil sink minions too.

Agreed. Gil sink mounts are great ...but the 2 golden mounts are just common beast tribe recolors and the FATE voucher mount is a really ugly dinosaur.

Gil sink minions would be nice too, but minions are basically lootbox fodder to push people into whatever deep dungeon, moogle tome or eureka copy they make next. There's no point spending a few million on a minion that might be 10k a few months later.

I'd also like dev confirmation that gil sink mounts won't appear in the next Grand Company Material coffer. The 3.0 and 4.0 coffers contain almost any tradable mount or minion from those expansions. There's no guarantee they won't add a 5.0 coffer somewhere down the line that includes the golden mounts, since they're tradable.

[Toutatis]

So what op is suggesting would essentially encourage RMT side deals on discord or elsewhere. As for his tax idea, people would just make an in game transaction for a minimal amount of gils and send the rest separately. No, keep housing accessible to everyone.

[AmpelioB]

But what's the point of Gil if there's nothing to spent it on?

You clearly do not do Roleplay.

[Minarisweet]

We do have an economy. It is not dependent on housing.

We have things to purchase with gil, though those things can be more desirable or less desirable to buy depending on the player.

Selling/trading houses directly between players only opens the floodgates for RMT to flourish even more because prices would quickly rise higher than what the average player could afford. No tax on player to player housing sales would ever keep up with the rate that new gil enters the game economy. All those little amounts passively generated by millions of players doing content far outweigh what a tax levied on a relative handful of players would.

There are plenty of reasons for players to engage with tradeskills and the rest of the game's economy if they want. It's also okay if they don't want to engage.

I don't think the state of the economy right now is "you don't have to engage with it if you don't want to " because you definitely have to if you're into housing, meanwhile when it comes to combat gameplay after a week or two crafter gear gets really really cheap and materia becomes very affordable too with roulette money or the same money you got from doing msq... so its more like if you play this content you have to gil sink if you don't then gil is a non issue.

[Avatre]

My gil sink is needing to buy White Dyes for 500K a pop all the time...

I even wasted quite a few dying my Glamor Plate directly instead of the item, and was in for quite the rude awakening when I wanted to rearrange my plates and saw that my items were no longer dyed... lol.

It's definitely a money saver once you realize you can dye the item, then put in the dresser, then apply it. Especially if you move plates around/want to use it in a second glamour - in the same colour. Another fun one that a lot of people might not realize, once an item is on the plate, you can take it out of the dresser and it still works as long as it is on that plate.

[Brightamethyst]

If SE cared about the economy, they wouldn't nuke rare items (minions and so on) by introducing loot boxes in every patch that gave people everything from previous patches.

That's about reducing the reliance on old content. They don't want people to feel like they have to "waste" their maps doing level 70s instead of 90s, and such.

[AmpelioB]

I think you need to check your math. Let's take the top of the line medium plot that sells for 20 million Gil. 1% of that is 200,000 Gil.

You think that is much? anyone that plays once a week can make this.

Additional money sinks tend to disproportionately hurt the poor and are but a tickle to the rich.

Just tax the richer more.

[Lunalepsy]

I already know a TON of people are going to hate me for saying this, but I genuinely believe that this idea that "housing should be COMPLETELY random, everyone should have the same chance" is actually an extremely negative idea.

Thing is, MMO's NEED to have an economy. And let's face it; VERY few players actually engage with crafting tradeskills. It's because it's a lot of work, and the "reward" is selling items on Market Board for Gil.

But what's the point of Gil if there's nothing to spent it on?

Now I completely understand the fear of Real-Money Trading (RMT). But this is essentially punishing ALL players for the actions of those exploiting loopholes. And those loopholes are problematic, only because there isn't an official means of selling/trading Houses, which could ALSO double as a money-sink.

Now INITIALLY, yes; houses would probably be expensive. But if you implement a sort of in-game "tax" for buying/selling/trading Houses -- maybe even scales higher for higher amounts -- eventually it would get enough money out of the game, it would actually stabilize the economy, ensuring those with less gil actually COULD afford houses.

Of course, Selling and Trading plots are two different things entirely. Trading means "I have Plot 23, you have Plot 10, I'll pay you X amount of Gil just to trade places with me". THAT doesn't even affect the Housing system, as it would require both parties own a house anyways. It just allows players to get a plot they really want.

But Buying/Selling plots, I think it also totally justifiable. It's just forcing players who REALLY want a house to resort to sketchy outside sources or RMT.

As I said, I know a LOT of people are going to disagree with this, but I genuinely think that but not allowing players to either Buy/Sell/Trade or even get multiple lottery tickets, it's essentially removing any incentive whatsoever to engage in tradeskills or the game's economy.

Do you want to cause a housing recession in this game?

[Eraden]

You think that is much? anyone that plays once a week can make this.



Just tax the richer more.

That actually IS a lot of money to a good many people playing this game. Additionally, they should not have to spend a significant amount of their game time just trying to tread water.