Is it just me or are some Healers refusing to Heal Paladins?

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

There are healers who refuse to heal period. They only want short queues. Some of them even have the nerve to come to these forums to complain about how terrible everybody else play because they have to heal them... as a healer... preposterous!!! Don't worry, fortunately there are not too many of those.

The more I see these the more I think that duty roulette needs to be earned by recent recent player commendations.
There’s a lot of 90 percenters (90s across the board) with terrible attitudes, probably because they play too much and you are slowing them down.
People who view the duty roulette xp as an entitlement.
Maybe not +1 commendations but some kind of karma idk, those kinds of players nobody wants to play with and nobody should have to suffer them in duty roulette

[Padudu]

The more I see these the more I think that duty roulette needs to be earned by recent recent player commendations.
There’s a lot of 90 percenters (90s across the board) with terrible attitudes, probably because they play too much and you are slowing them down.
People who view the duty roulette xp as an entitlement.
Maybe not +1 commendations but some kind of karma idk, those kinds of players nobody wants to play with and nobody should have to suffer them in duty roulette

RIP dps players who get like little to no comms lol

Maybe I'm just lucky (or a combo with me not caring enough) but at least recently I haven't really had anyone with a terrible 'tude. I think most people would be begrudgingly ok if you asked them to slow down

[IDontPetLalas]

I honestly prefer healing when it's a hybrid of DPS and healing but I completely agree, the issue is that both those aspects are just boring in ff. It's so unengaging at both ends.

Agreed, I would, and have never played any game (over many years) any job/class in a healing or support role that didn't offer an option to have both DPS and healing skills. That doesn't mean that i was some 'wannabe DPS", nor did it mean that I didn't want to heal, it was reflection that I wanted to multiple types of content, just like other jobs.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I'm a healer main but also an old-school MMO player where top healers (I used to be the MT Healer in the #1 progression guild in another MMO back in the day) had to spend most of their time Healing. I still play like that in some ways. In FFXIV I do not play with a regular group so it's always random people form duty finder. I like to keep my party at 80%. Since I don't know any of these people, and they don't know me, it's less stress for me and less stress for them. I usually get a bunch of comms even if this means I can't always do this ONLY with oGCDs and have to cast heals. The reality is with Duty Finder you get a large range of player skill levels for both tanks and how quickly and efficient your DPS is at bursting down large pulls. (Last night I even had a DPS get lost somehow even though the dungeon is a straight corridor...)

I DPS when I feel content with HP levels and there is otherwise nothing else to do, which is still plenty of time. Of course, I typically will do my Holy chain to Stun first until it doesn't stun anymore since that's also preventing damage the same way I'd use stuns to prevent damage in other MMOs. For me the DPS is just an added bonus.

I'm not really obsessed with DPS while healing but I follow "always be casting" so I'm never doing nothing. I think this playstyle is more than fine and my randoms seem to appreciate never having to worry or stress. Now that I've played Heals, DPS, and Tanks in FFXIV I understand my potency is pretty much the lowest of everyone else in the group so if someone needs to spend time healing it should be me.

[ZephyrMenodora]

No, if they do something dumb they will likely die and learn from their mistake. Or don't. I don't really care.

The same goes for that bard standing on the other side of the arena btw. There is a perfectly fine Asylum in the middle. If you are not standing in it I hope you have Second Wind mapped.

Groan. I don't know why some people think every random duty finder has to be "teachable moments" for less skilled players. You are punished too with their deaths. If it bothers you so much having to deal with random players who get hit by avoidable mechanics and needing to heal them, just play something else.

I also noticed in general if you make people uncomfortable they instinctively back off, start kiting and stop dps when they feel in danger. The run goes even slower. Maybe you enjoy spending your time berating your random duty finders and thinking you are "teaching them" - I just find this mindset incredibly tiring and unnecessary.

There is helpful advice, and then there is just being obnoxious.

Anyway, I far prefer being a "no one dies on my watch" healer than "I chose not to heal you as you got hit by something that was avoidable."

[TaleraRistain]

Anyway, I far prefer being a "no one dies on my watch" healer than "I chose not to heal you as you got hit by something that was avoidable."

Same. I don't care why they took the damage except with one caveat. If they have a "healer adjust" attitude and convey that in chat, then they'll still get healed but they're going to the bottom of my priority list because they're intentionally squandering my resources and working against the party's best interests, usually because they're parsing and too concerned about their dps numbers in casual content. I can count on one hand the times that's happened in nearly 8 years.

If someone is swimming in AoEs constantly I just assume they're new, they're inexperienced, they're having a bad day, whatever and just heal them.

[technole]

The best answer is, did you die? The role of healer is to keep alive, not quell your lifebar anxiety. Overhealing is less damage.

[HisShadowX]

It may even behoove tanks, at this point, to prepare macros for the start of encounters/dungeons and let healers know just how much healing they need and/or expect (because some can't handle seeing their HP drop below even as much as 90% before they blow a gasket).

Very good idea but keep in mind we have console players that can use that because you do have PC players who do not understand you can’t simply click if your using a controller.

And? Just heal them. We're there to keep the HP bars filled. That's our role and position in the party. It doesn't matter how they got depleted. And it speaks more of us as healers if we are capable of doing it all and keeping it all well balanced than letting one side suffer for the sake of the other.

The comment your responding to is exactly what I am talking about. Yes it’s the tank’s job to take damage but it’s the healers job to keep them alive that damage is adding up but its like the difference between a Rideshare driver and a delivery driver. Rideshare drivers are spoiled and feel they should be paid and tipped before a service and expect the customer to do the delivery drivers job like come to the delivery driver instead of the delivery driver delivering. We have the same problem with the healers who expect you to do their job.
Wow the person you quoted is the problem within the game right now.

I suspect It has nothing to do with you being a paladin. The healer was probably just a idiot. some healers can't even manage to walk ten steps without tripping and dying from from a broken neck. but hey at least you don't have my magic ability to pretty much always get one of the dumbest healers there are any time you try to run as dark knight

As another healer here just quoted from another Healer they do not feel it’s their job to heal. That’s the problem. Again not all healers are like this but you got a lot of healers now that just would rather DPS.

We're there to keep their health where it needs to be so they can be confident in performing their jobs without worrying about whether they're going to die. It doesn't have to be 100%, but it shouldn't be hovering near 0 either. So, yes, sometimes we're going to need to cast a GCD heal if someone in our party does something dumb.

This I can cosign.

Now personally, doing my experts practically everyday almost as a tank, I feel like my healers are very gung-ho about getting through the dgns as fast a possible and if they suspect even a little bit that you can self-sustain, they'll take you up on it. And why not? WAR, GNB and yes, even PLD cruising by with their shiny new toys, leaving healers do to minimalistic healing that actually does the job 8/10 times. So naturally, they're left with all that downtime to choose between sucking their thumbs and wait until you're taking damage to overheal or filling their time with dpsing with their "engaging" dps skills.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, you are right and yeah this happened a couple of times last night during a final boss on what is typically an easy final boss. It was simply because the healer really did not heal and we always died at the same point where the damage was going to come in to everyone and because of the lack of heals we kept dying. After the 4th wipe the healer finally decided to heal during and before these critical times. At a certain point if everyone is low enough and they are not healed and you are at that point in a boss battle where the boss will use his or her ultimate its hard to recover if everyone was not being healer and we are low at that point.

I had to become a Healer last year to see how much better it is as a Healer when you make sure everyone is good and you communicate with your tank to let them know they can pull big or maybe small depending on the area and risk.

Haven't been capping my tomes since week 3. I don't do expert because I don't have whm leveled, I don't level whm because whm is the worst/most unfun healer to play currently.

It's a vicious cycle.

I personally love my White Mage. There is something calm about making sure everyone is okay and helping where I can. White Mage better fits my personality since I love helping and I am in Public Health and Knights of Malta (Current name for the Knights Hospitaller order from the Crusades).

I'm a healer main but also an old-school MMO player where top healers (I used to be the MT Healer in the #1 progression guild in another MMO back in the day) had to spend most of their time Healing. I still play like that in some ways. In FFXIV I do not play with a regular group so it's always random people form duty finder. I like to keep my party at 80%. Since I don't know any of these people, and they don't know me, it's less stress for me and less stress for them. I usually get a bunch of comms even if this means I can't always do this ONLY with oGCDs and have to cast heals. The reality is with Duty Finder you get a large range of player skill levels for both tanks and how quickly and efficient your DPS is at bursting down large pulls. (Last night I even had a DPS get lost somehow even though the dungeon is a straight corridor...)

I DPS when I feel content with HP levels and there is otherwise nothing else to do, which is still plenty of time. Of course, I typically will do my Holy chain to Stun first until it doesn't stun anymore since that's also preventing damage the same way I'd use stuns to prevent damage in other MMOs. For me the DPS is just an added bonus.

I'm not really obsessed with DPS while healing but I follow "always be casting" so I'm never doing nothing. I think this playstyle is more than fine and my randoms seem to appreciate never having to worry or stress. Now that I've played Heals, DPS, and Tanks in FFXIV I understand my potency is pretty much the lowest of everyone else in the group so if someone needs to spend time healing it should be me.

I agree, my time healing I was never asked to DPS more. If anything, I got a ton of thank you for not stressing me out by keeping my alive. Though healers still gets the blame when you get someone who tags another room and they die because they moved far away or are standing in a spot where you cannot heal them.

[Azuri]

Groan. I don't know why some people think every random duty finder has to be "teachable moments" for less skilled players. You are punished too with their deaths. If it bothers you so much having to deal with random players who get hit by avoidable mechanics and needing to heal them, just play something else.

I also noticed in general if you make people uncomfortable they instinctively back off, start kiting and stop dps when they feel in danger. The run goes even slower. Maybe you enjoy spending your time berating your random duty finders and thinking you are "teaching them" - I just find this mindset incredibly tiring and unnecessary.

There is helpful advice, and then there is just being obnoxious.

Anyway, I far prefer being a "no one dies on my watch" healer than "I chose not to heal you as you got hit by something that was avoidable."

There is a fundamental difference in our mindset. You show up to content to keep healthbars full. I show up to heal as efficiently as possible and will not adjust for bad play. Simple.

[ZedxKayn]

The more I see these the more I think that duty roulette needs to be earned by recent recent player commendations.
There’s a lot of 90 percenters (90s across the board) with terrible attitudes, probably because they play too much and you are slowing them down.
People who view the duty roulette xp as an entitlement.
Maybe not +1 commendations but some kind of karma idk, those kinds of players nobody wants to play with and nobody should have to suffer them in duty roulette

Nah. Curebots get showered in comms and healers who actually know what they are doing don't get much because tanks and DPS who don't know how healing works don't see them casting benefic. It's worse in 8 man stuff because other players assume the """glarebot""" is chadding and are unloading all the healing onto the curebot when the other healer with 80% overhealing just leaves them nothing to heal in the first place.