World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[Ronduwil]

If using your kit, not even optimally but just using it in general, is too much effort for you to put in, find some friends who are willing to carry you and don't subject the randoms you get paired with to your selfishness.

And now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never said that players shouldn't use their entire kit. I simply said that there's no need for SE to expand it beyond what it already is. I also said that there's nothing wrong with consolidating existing skills to make the kit easier to manage. Was I sad to consolidate three gunbreaker buttons onto a single one? I was not. According to the OP, however, it's dumbing down the game for everyone and "catering to casuals."

Also, if a healer not being expected to dps is midcore, by your own assessment, what would make them a casual?

Again, midcore is casual. There's hardcore, midcore, and low skill. Midcore and low skill are typically casual. This video describes my feelings on what is and isn't casual pretty well:

https://youtu.be/ZGCFxHUsSGU

[LittleImp]

Again, midcore is casual. There's hardcore, midcore, and low skill. Midcore and low skill are typically casual. This video describes my feelings on what is and isn't casual pretty well:

https://youtu.be/ZGCFxHUsSGU

The community for this game tends to have a weird way they apply these terms tbh. It usually refers to the types of content you primarily interact with, rather than the amount of time you spend with it. I don't know why it's that way and I've always found it kind of odd myself, but its probably where some of the confusion in this thread is stemming from.

'Casual' usually refers to people who primarily just do roulette content, MSQ, crafting, roleplay etc. Doesn't matter if you have 2000 hours crafting or can recite every line of dialogue in the story, if it's all you really do you're still considered 'casual'

'Hardcore' is typically reserved for people who clear savage tiers on a scale of days or weeks, and clear current ultimates. You can spend 6 hours a week playing the game and still be considered hardcore by the community.

[Ronduwil]

'Casual' usually refers to people who primarily just do roulette content, MSQ, crafting, roleplay etc. Doesn't matter if you have 2000 hours crafting or can recite every line of dialogue in the story, if it's all you really do you're still considered 'casual'

Regardless, if SE is catering to those people who just do roulette content, MSQ, and crafting, then I think they'll be just fine. The fact that they successfully cater to those guys while also throwing in Savage and Ultimate content with prestige items is great. My point is that WoW's decline is due to Blizzard completely throwing those players by the wayside and exclusively focusing on the high end content. To mix terminology between the two games, they've made all dungeons Savage-level, added a very tight timer to them, and downscaled the gear rewards (present and future) for any group that fails to clear the timer. I didn't mean to make this a conversation about casual versus hardcore. I'm just contesting the OP's assertion that Blizzard caters to casuals as well as the suggestion that continuing to cater to casuals will send the game into decline.