"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Cheremia]

in the 85 dungeon, we had a tank that ended up dying to the second boss while I was leveling SAM. Because he died, I ended up with the boss, and they were not provoking back so I ended up keeping enmity. painful, but my heart sunk seeing the tank buster icon circle me. I popped third eye, and hoped for the best, but expected my death for the tanks refusal to provoke, for whatever reason, to come for me.

To my own surprise, the tankbuster, from a boss, a boss that KILLED MY TANK did not kill me. However, sadly, the following auto still did as the healer was confident I'd die to it too and didn't have a heal ready for me.

But, I think it says a lot. Back in SB the 65 dungeon 100% would kill a non-tank (And I know, as I did a no tank run of that synced in SB for RP reasons), and here we are now where they just can't. If it's, at least in theory because I could have been healed to survive the following hit, possible for a dps to eat a tank buster and survive, and it's very much possible for dps to handle a single group so long as the healer pays attention a little bit, then unless the tank goes ham, they are quite literally just a weaker dps in the party. At that point, why would you not just bring a third dps?

That's not necessarily true tho.
I had multiple dps survive multiple tankbusters in all content (with leveling gear and such, too). Unmitigated TBS on TANKS usually do less than half hp of them, that means dps can also survive it. Sometimes i do wonder how some tanks get so much more damage than others (unmitigated) but otherwise it doesnt kill them outright.

Heck, even I as healer survived some tankbusters i definitely should have died to.

Samurais, Nins and Reaper can survive a lot if they actually would use their mitigation tools, had multiple sams/nins easily survive tbs in Paradigms ONLY because they used their mitigations.

I throw shields on dps on instinct by now because i have seen them survive this often.

It happens a lot that if one tank dies that the other never picks them up in trials and then both are up and nobody takes the boss back for a while, god....
Dunno why hitting provoke is so hard, but it is

Even weirder is that the tank does pull all trash and then doesnt aoe them so you, the healer, have yellow aggro on everything....
Just... Aoe... if the dps run away from you with an add, i can understand that you dont wanna run after them if one provoke isnt enoigh and or out of range.

But if the people run to you to tackle you... just... aoe. You're supposed to Aoe anyways...

[Jijifli]

But if the people run to you to tackle you... just... aoe. You're supposed to Aoe anyways...

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