What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Yencat]

I'd be careful passing that around. I've seen a lot of activity from people who regularly translate interviews who are saying that's very badly mistranslated and is leading to a lot of misinformation.

Thanks.

It could be 100% accurately translated and it still wouldn't mean he's never coming back though, so if anyone feels misinformed by me "sourcing" the basis of a meme they'll have to take that up with gamesradar.

[KageTokage]

By the way, I wish you the best of luck in repeating this exact same argument over and over again when people want to debate Ancient morality for the next 10 years to come. Now you've got a new source to quote from!

(And don't forget to mention YoshiP confirmed the mortal human races only started existing after the Sundering and we have no reason to believe there were any "lesser"/non-Ancient humans before the Sundering. Yes, they really did intend to sacrifice just chickens and trees lol, and perhaps they were divided over it BECAUSE THEY DID CARE ABOUT THE CHICKENS AND THE TREES! so much for that argument.)

It's strongly implied that the "beast" tribes were creations and existed during the time of the Ancients, so it could be that they were included within that new life.

Entrusting the future to non-sentient lifeforms sounds...strange in any case, though as with most of the elements surrounding the Sundering, it's just speculation and possibilities until further notice.

[Teraq]

Entrusting the future to non-sentient lifeforms sounds...strange in any case

I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Venat entrusted the future to the now-Sundered humans that she apparently purposefully made forget their ancient civilization and culture so they wouldn't end up like distant aliens however many years into the future based on Meteion's brief report.

I was just talking about the third sacrifice fuel. Which, yes, I concede, may have entailed the Matanga prototype from that one sidequest, assuming it was eventually made into an actual Matanga by Ancient times rather than just "evolving after the Sundering", because at this point, why not, right?

[Lauront]

I think she's getting at the line Hyth gives about handing the star over to the new lives. It's vague so I am assuming it may be referring in part to beings like familiars, although this may have been beings like Matanga or Lupins, and in either case there may just have been enough potential for intelligence with some guidance for them to view this life as a suitable candidate for inheriting the star over time. In any case, it does not seem like it would've been ancients or anything close to them.

[Rulakir]

What's most disappointing is despite this being hyped as a decade long saga, fact of the matter is the Ascians (and Zodiark) had little development until ShB. Hydaelyn had some in HW, most of which was Minfilia related. Frankly, I didn't care about the Ascians until ShB. They seemed like generic villains in a mustache-twirling cult of chaos that worshipped a generic dark god. Then 5.0 happened and I was hooked only for Yoshi-P to decide that story's over next expansion. People just learned 2 - not 10 - 2 years ago that their WoL is a reincarnated Ancient, one of the Convocation of Fourteen, who happened to be BFFs with the best character in the entire game and we're just done with that?! (I'm factoring in the expansion timeline. As someone who recently started playing in September I found out about all this only months ago.)

By the way, I wish you the best of luck in repeating this exact same argument over and over again when people want to debate Ancient morality for the next 10 years to come. Now you've got a new source to quote from!

I already asked in lore if we could finally lay to rest that the sundering had anything to do with continued sacrifices to Zodiark and was responded to with a long-winded no. :P

[aveyond-dreams]

I wasn't impressed with the additional lore revealed in the QA, if anything it made the writing of Endwalker even more of a bizarre stretch? I liked interacting with Venat so much but my goodness her actions are just nonsensical.

[Caurcas]

Get used to it. We are a single player FF in a mmo skin lads, and they want to tell more of this story.

[Teraq]

I already asked in lore if we could finally lay to rest that the sundering had anything to do with continued sacrifices to Zodiark and was responded to with a long-winded no. :P

You know, it's always something I've found bizarre... Does any character that isn't on Venat's side ever explicitly say the Convocation was planning more sacrifices after the third one that would bring back the people within Zodiark?
But I understand why people would cling to the argument of the morality of the third sacrifice. I mean, Venat's actual stated reason for opposing the Convocation, that their civilisation would eventually die out on their own accord based on an alien people she's barely heard of... perhaps doesn't resonate as much? I can picture Venat watching us go through the Dead Ends, MST3K-style, seeing the Plenty and going "oh, that must be them! They even have the hooded robes and masks, it's so heavy-handed, I love it! I WAS RIGHT (breathes a deep sigh of relief that she ended up justified for deleting her people and their entire history because they would have died at one point)"

I've been playing since 3.2 which, if memory serves, was the patch where Thancred decked Emmanellain, and wasn't too invested until the post-Stormblood / Shadowbringers ramp-up MSQ. I have a confession to make: I cared more for Stormblood than Heavensward, largely because the setting of HW didn't appeal to me at all, and this alongside always having been intrigued by the Ascian side of things and their plots probably lands me on a top 10 list of People With Objectively Horrible Taste In Final Fantasy XIV Online. The earliest character I latched onto was Nero in CT and post-HW, then Elidibus in post-HW and post-SB, and then I committed the cardinal sin of finding even pre-ShB Emet-Selch entertaining enough. But yeah I only started getting really invested during Shadowbringers, and I'll admit I was kind of positively vibrating on my seat during 5.2 and 5.3. Sure, the latter just kind of went and personally attacked and destroyed me, but I figured there was literally NO way it would be over for my favorite character now that it was revealed he was basically the consciousness of Zodiark. I mean why would you reveal that just a year and a half before the grand conclusion of the Hydaelyn-Zodiark saga and actually keep the character around if not to build up toward a satisfying conclusion for Zodiark, right? (You know, it's amusing, because the way I thought Zodiark would be handled wound up being how they did Vrtra, using an avatar to walk around, only in Elidibus's case his Zodiark self has been broken, lethargic and locked up for millenia so he didn't transfer his full consciousness back in there very often, but I pictured there would still be a tiny part of him left inside, just hanging on to a thread.) I was on such a high during the latter half of 2020, theorizing on what would happen next and the remaining Ascians getting involved... that the entirety of 2021 felt like a year-long car crash.

I've never talked about the fact that Nero did not get a single spoken line in an expansion that had us go to Garlemald, but, that too. That was a crime. In a better timeline, my favorite gay kooky engineer would have been leading the charge on the Tower of Babil riding on gigantic mechas blasting loud music from radios, while yelling "WITNESS ME, GARLOND!!!!", before becoming the first Garlean to step on the Moon. And then we would have launched him into deep space.

It would have been nice to be given a 'Blessing of Darkness' from Zodiark to balance things out. Perhaps as a last desperate act before he was taken over by Fandaniel.

I love this, by the way. Azem, who historically refused to side with either Zodiark or Hydaelyn to deal with the Final Days (as far as we can tell, anyway), now having the blessings of both to deal with the Final Days. I mean, it's true, the plot of Endwalker could have never been resolved without the Heart of Zodiark going "dude... what if time travel", but this little tidbit is hardly given any attention at all. I wanted this story to be about both Hearts.


As an aside, I've been talking with a real-life friend and colleague about our respective fandom grievances. She explained the entirety of Supernatural to me over lunch so she could properly convey how disappointed she was in the final episode, while I, of course, had to rant about Endwalker. I quickly realised how complicated it was to get across how disappointed I was without the set-up and context, so I drew this timeline.

[Lauront]

You know, it's always something I've found bizarre... Does any character that isn't on Venat's side ever explicitly say the Convocation was planning more sacrifices after the third one that would bring back the people within Zodiark?

No.

I've been playing since 3.2 which, if memory serves, was the patch where Thancred decked Emmanellain, and wasn't too invested until the post-Stormblood / Shadowbringers ramp-up MSQ. I have a confession to make: I cared more for Stormblood than Heavensward, largely because the setting of HW didn't appeal to me at all, and this alongside always having been intrigued by the Ascian side of things and their plots probably lands me on a top 10 list of People With Objectively Horrible Taste In Final Fantasy XIV Online. The earliest character I latched onto was Nero in CT and post-HW, then Elidibus in post-HW and post-SB, and then I committed the cardinal sin of finding even pre-ShB Emet-Selch entertaining enough. But yeah I only started getting really invested during Shadowbringers, and I'll admit I was kind of positively vibrating on my seat during 5.2 and 5.3. Sure, the latter just kind of went and personally attacked and destroyed me, but I figured there was literally NO way it would be over for my favorite character now that it was revealed he was basically the consciousness of Zodiark. I mean why would you reveal that just a year and a half before the grand conclusion of the Hydaelyn-Zodiark saga and actually keep the character around if not to build up toward a satisfying conclusion for Zodiark, right? (You know, it's amusing, because the way I thought Zodiark would be handled wound up being how they did Vrtra, using an avatar to walk around, only in Elidibus's case his Zodiark self has been broken, lethargic and locked up for millenia so he didn't transfer his full consciousness back in there very often, but I pictured there would still be a tiny part of him left inside, just hanging on to a thread.) I was on such a high during the latter half of 2020, theorizing on what would happen next and the remaining Ascians getting involved... that the entirety of 2021 felt like a year-long car crash.

Yeah, I was honestly hoping they'd treat Elidibus in that way. After Praetorium, you see that image of the dark crystal, which is before Elidibus makes his entrance. I always took it to signify his arrival on the scene. While I'm not dissatisfied with what we did get of Elidibus, they could've done even more, along the lines you mention.

As an aside, I've been talking with a real-life friend and colleague about our respective fandom grievances. She explained the entirety of Supernatural to me over lunch so she could properly convey how disappointed she was in the final episode, while I, of course, had to rant about Endwalker. I quickly realised how complicated it was to get across how disappointed I was without the set-up and context, so I drew this timeline.

Great little image. Saved it. Although, the only thing about that whole scene with her sundering him is that by the actual sound of it, it sounded more like a suicide bombing event, where she desperately threw herself at him, the star and herself all at once, in order to overcome his superior strength. I wonder how that would've looked on a t shirt. Probably a little messier to depict that kind of imagery of her. I have to admit, I've never liked the cave mural, and I like it even less now.

[Theodric]

I do wish that instead of an exaggerated stylistic cutscene we'd actually been shown some raw footage of the Sundering itself. It's very telling that the game will insist on showing the effects of the likes of Black Rose in excruciating detail but that it chickened out at every possible turn when it came to showing 'mOmMy' in an unflattering light.

I'm firmly opposed to people being stripped of their agency through no fault of their own and that's something Venat is responsible for across the board. All whilst conveniently being championed as a 'saviour'.