The Reasoning behind The Sundering? (*6.0 Endwalker Spoilers*)

[EaraGrace]

You’re completely missing the point.

Ok, I’m curious what the point is then?

This is just after they had been saved by the WoL and a dragon lmao.

Yes, the combination of their armed forces, Vrtra and the WoL managed to quell the original blasphemy. Had they all despaired after helplessly losing friends, family and loved ones (like the Ancients) however, that effort would be for nothing.

Not only that, but considering i believe it was the radiant that even told that lady to calm down and it was completely ignored and she turned anyways. So no, i don’t see any proof whatsoever they would have.

It is literally a scene showing them do exactly that. Just because not everyone avoided despairing does not change that fact. Given the Scions were able to contain that particular outbreak of despair, even after a man watched his son turned, their leader killed, and they found out Palaka might’ve been wiped out, I’d say they handled things with strength.

It took a dragon showing up just to save Matsya and the baby. This is all just proving my point. They would have been nowhere were it not for the WoL, so it’s a bit of a stretch to say things like, “oh, the sundered endured it all, so much better than the ancients.” When it’s very clear they didnt.

How does that prove your point? Matsya is noted to struggle with fear and despair and the baby is… well a baby! The fact they maintain hope long enough for Vrtra and Estinien to arrive is a pretty mean feat actually.

Afaik, the baby only survived because we showed up. Afaik, Matsya only survived because we were there to hold the monsters off from the baby while Matsya ran off. Which, afaik, Matsya only survived because of Vrtra showing up. And again, we have an entire settlement and then clearly some more considering the amount of blasphemies in the sky that seem to show the majority of thavnair turned. Hell, one of them turned because a business inquiry went sour and the guy was scared of losing his job. That’s how susceptible they were.

The guy was scared of losing his life’s work, leaving him, his family and his community poor and starving. And we have no way of knowing how many turned, though nothing seems to indicate it was close to a majority.

I'd also note that suffering wasn't a natural part of life in the way in which it was introduced, either. Neither the Sundering or the Final Days were natural events. They were entirely manufactured.

Which makes the opposition to Venat even more justified - nobody is obligated to just go along with it whenever some delusional saboteur decides to alter the very conditions of existence in a way that is detrimental. How convenient, too, that Venat never had to actually abide by the rules that she set forth for everybody else.

What is a natural event? Was the planet that nuked themselves an example of a natural event causing the end? Or what about Ra’La and the Plenty? Or the invasion of the Omicron? Perhaps the point is not that suffering is all natural, but that it is inevitable. Whether it’s from the inherent limitations one’s born into, like in the planet that ended up polluted or it’s from circumstances that develop later on, the point is you will suffer.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Ok, I’m curious what the point is then?



Yes, the combination of their armed forces, Vrtra and the WoL managed to quell the original blasphemy. Had they all despaired after helplessly losing friends, family and loved ones (like the Ancients) however, that effort would be for nothing.



It is literally a scene showing them do exactly that. Just because not everyone avoided despairing does not change that fact. Given the Scions were able to contain that particular outbreak of despair, even after a man watched his son turned, their leader killed, and they found out Palaka might’ve been wiped out, I’d say they handled things with strength.




How does that prove your point? Matsya is noted to struggle with fear and despair and the baby is… well a baby! The fact they maintain hope long enough for Vrtra and Estinien to arrive is a pretty mean feat actually.



The guy was scared of losing his life’s work, leaving him, his family and his community poor and starving. And we have no way of knowing how many turned, though nothing seems to indicate it was close to a majority.



What is a natural event? Was the planet that nuked themselves an example of a natural event causing the end? Or what about Ra’La and the Plenty? Or the invasion of the Omicron? Perhaps the point is not that suffering is all natural, but that it is inevitable. Whether it’s from the inherent limitations one’s born into, like in the planet that ended up polluted or it’s from circumstances that develop later on, the point is you will suffer.

Again, considering the amount of blasphemies we see, it’s pretty clear a not-insignificant amount gave in to despair. We only see 2 small settlements survive, and one of them only had a few survivors remaining. The Ancients didn’t despair or give in like the sundered did, they let their hope give rise to Zodiark. My point is, as i’ve stated numerous times now had you actually read my posts, is that without the WoL or Vrtra both places we see the final days hit would be entirely doomed. Their survival depended on 1-2 people, one of which is unsundered and the other is 9/14th. The sundered didn’t do it on their own, they had help from higher up entities.