Ishgard Housing No Lottery For Wards

[Shibi]

It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that some of the posters here in this thread are merely concerned about their own chances of getting a plot and have little or no concern about others.

Lottery is very fair, just as fair as the Grand Cactpot, no better, no worse.

In 9 years of play I have won Grand Cactpot just one time. So, I would certainly have my weekly chance lottery won Goblet 52 small, based on that.

How many times have you won Grand Cactpot?

[Eraden]

Lottery is very fair, just as fair as the Grand Cactpot, no better, no worse.

In 9 years of play I have won Grand Cactpot just one time. So, I would certainly have my weekly chance lottery won Goblet 52 small, based on that.

How many times have you won Grand Cactpot?

That is irrelevant to the point I have been making with regards to the lottery system. Yes, your chance to earn a plot will suck. It will, however, be the same for all. In a game like this, it is important to make the system fair for EVERYONE. The lottery system will at least accomplish that. If you want to increase your odds of getting a property, I suggest you add your voice to the chorus of voices asking SE to add more housing.

[Shibi]

That is irrelevant to the point I have been making with regards to the lottery system. Yes, your chance to earn a plot will suck. It will, however, be the same for all. In a game like this, it is important to make the system fair for EVERYONE. The lottery system will at least accomplish that. If you want to increase your odds of getting a property, I suggest you add your voice to the chorus of voices asking SE to add more housing.

I think that SE are more interested in adding new servers to the NA, EU and JP datacentres than putting in new servers for housing. This pushes it out to 2024 at least.

Lotery is the worst way forward, because people who have little desire for a home will just throw in their 3 million to the pot, because, why not. Meanwhile people who want a home, and would have put in the effort to get one - like putting in the effort to learn a fight in static for rewards - will have a Grand Cactpot chance.

Sorry, I fall into the- if you want it, work for it group - rather than the every can get one in 10 years of trying groups.

[Eraden]

I think that SE are more interested in adding new servers to the NA, EU and JP datacentres than putting in new servers for housing. This pushes it out to 2024 at least.

Lotery is the worst way forward, because people who have little desire for a home will just throw in their 3 million to the pot, because, why not. Meanwhile people who want a home, and would have put in the effort to get one - like putting in the effort to learn a fight in static for rewards - will have a Grand Cactpot chance.

Sorry, I fall into the- if you want it, work for it group - rather than the every can get one in 10 years of trying groups.

How do you KNOW what is going on in the minds of people who will be applying for a plot under the new lottery system? There may be hundreds, or perhaps even thousands of people out there who really want a house but have never stood a chance at getting one because of factors beyond their control. I don't know what their situations are. I don't know what is running through their minds with regards to housing. I am willing to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I HAVE to give everyone the benefit of the doubt if I am to claim any sense of being a fair minded person.

[Shibi]

...There may be hundreds, or perhaps even thousands of people out there...

I, 101% expect there will be. In fact, on some servers there will be many more than the 1:10,000 chance of grand cactpot. I wouldn't be surprised on some servers if the chance of winning is 1:30,000

With a 1:30,000 chance you actually have more likelyhood of winning a home by running up in the 12 to 14 hour primetime and putting in a single click of the placard. That's 1:1440 chance.

[DeNada]

I, 101% expect there will be. In fact, on some servers there will be many more than the 1:10,000 chance of grand cactpot. I wouldn't be surprised on some servers if the chance of winning is 1:30,000

With a 1:30,000 chance you actually have more likelyhood of winning a home by running up in the 12 to 14 hour primetime and putting in a single click of the placard. That's 1:1440 chance.

These odds doesn't seem logical. Your odds should only be against the number of players competing for the same plot and not the entire server.

In any case, even if the odds are astronomical, that doesn't matter as lottery is still objectively more fair than FCFS if the aim is allow everyone a fair shot at housing, not just the minority who is able to camp at their PC and login immediately on 6.1 release.

[Krotoan]

Sorry, I fall into the- if you want it, work for it group - rather than the every can get one in 10 years of trying groups.

Engaging in entertainment content should never be "work". Effort? Sure. Work? Nah.

Advocating for the mess that is the mad dash for property every time they release a new ward or area over supporting what would be an at will engagement for a chance for a house (dependent on actual interest), shows a bias toward a system you know you can game VS a system that's objectively fair.

Housing right now is the actual PVP of FFXIV. People are trying to one up each other or beat each other for rewards that skew towards those with more time and guile to dedicate to the cause. Click bot, stripped down client w/ teleportation, sitting up patch nights and hammering the login. These should not figure into a limited resource.

You keep talking about how it's an astronomical chance.. but right now it's wayyy worse of a chance to get a house unless you're willing to game the everliving heck out of the system. I have a medium house right now because I had to lug a gaming laptop along on a vacation, wake up at 3am at the local time to login and join the mad dash for new properties. I didn't even get one in the new ward, i was just lucky enough to be searching the after-releases for movers and I already had a small house to upgrade from. I would trade that in a second for just being able to login whenever weekly, check the listings and drop my bid. Nuts to living my life around the patch schedule of a game or being a slave to RNG house releases, gimme the lottery any day.


It's hard to imagine someone dropping money on a house just "cause lol" when they now are committed to logging in every month and a half or so to keep it. If they care so little the house will go back on the market and someone who actually wants it will get a chance.

And as so many others have said the chances aren't "Jumbo cactpot" they are only against whomever has also put in a bid. You want a small house that nobody else really does? Probably 1:50 chance. Also keep in mind that on opening day the entire population (20k?) cannot all bid on every house. Chances are you're going against 200-300 people at best with most focused on medium or large houses. Also remove the people who already have houses and aren't looking to swap and those who ARE are likely only looking to upgrade. You want a small house? Probably a pretty good chance compared to winning the cactpot.