Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[Theodric]

The French localisation is perfectly fine and aligns pretty smoothly with the Japanese script. Given that some of the posters who come here are European - and in some cases French themselves - the gatekeeping over localisation is getting pretty bizarre.

I think it's pretty telling that whenever a new patch trailer or New Year's message went live, it was not at all unusual to see posters rush to make comparisons between all the different localisations. Yet now doing it is suddenly a problem? Funny, that.

[polyphonica]

Small correction, the french version highlights that when he says this, he's meaning getting to Ultima Thule. Not anything else.

Honestly, I would say that the Japanese is quite the opposite. A more literal translation of his Japanese line would be "Still, the fact that humanity has gotten this far... It's true that this result could not have been achieved by our methods." The context for this line is all the pain and suffering he had to endure, so Venat will get no thanks for the part she made him play in it. And in the Japanese it's not pointed at the WoL specifically, but that "humanity" has gotten this far.

If the French translation is more specific here, I think they made an inference that wasn't present in either the Japanese or English versions, and may have slightly constrained the meaning of the line.

(Reference if you want to hear the Japanese line: https://youtu.be/c4My9iGEqGA?t=1459)

Edit: For whatever it's worth, here's the original line:
……しかし、人をここに至らせたこと。
この結末は、確かに私たちのやり方では掴み得なかったものだ。

[Lyth]

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No, but the FFXIV localization team does. That's the massive advantage of having an in-house localization team, and why the current English localization lead talked to the writers about their views and intent before popping over to do the Q+A. You really can't do that with a literal translation.

It also makes even less sense to translate a translation. I have no problem with looking at the French script for myself, but if you're going to claim that one language script is more 'official' than the others as a means of gatekeeping, at least do so with the Japanese script.

[Kozh]

It also doesn't change the fact that she had no assurances the WoL would be successful. She gambled trillions of lives on a 1-2 day meeting, which is Disney levels of love at first sight leads to happily ever after type nonsense.

Yep, if not for meteion suddenly attacking us on the ship, the party wouldn't even able to traverse ultima Thule.

Antagonists who've done less were raked over the coals, but Venat is celebrated. I'll never understand it. I can only assume the backlash from Japanese players was worse than it was here because Reddit and western streamers/YouTubers have done nothing but gush about EW.

It's really head scratching, the behavior of those people. Apparently you need to write a 2 page essay on how you understand how Big Bad(tm) the character you like, how you personally doesn't support their ideal in real life, how even if they tried to atone they still have blood on their hands, before you could say something like "man, I really like Gaius. I hope he show up more". Otherwise people won't stop going into you post/tweet about how evil™ you fav character is.

But Venat? "oh no such a sad tragic heroine she is. Look at how she suffer by using her soul to fight us".

[Slatersev]

It also doesn't change the fact that she had no assurances the WoL would be successful. She gambled trillions of lives on a 1-2 day meeting, which is Disney levels of love at first sight leads to happily ever after type nonsense.



Antagonists who've done less were raked over the coals, but Venat is celebrated. I'll never understand it. I can only assume the backlash from Japanese players was worse than it was here because Reddit and western streamers/YouTubers have done nothing but gush about EW. I've only see dissent here, on the official forums, which Yoshi-P never cites as one of the places he goes for game feedback (oddly).



Sadly. Given how much the unsundered changed after the sundering the excuse that their people couldn't change (also ignoring those who were on Venat's side) isn't accurate, it's just the Zodiark Cultist Strawmen group at the end of Elpis all over again. Though, Yoshi-P was explicit that's what Venat thought and clearly she did not have a favorable opinion of her own people.

You keep saying this without any source besides some selected quotes from a popularity poll where she came in third. That's not an actual barometer.

[MikkoAkure]

Forced as in if he doesn’t the world literally ends. It’s a bit strange to me Venat gets all the credit when were it not for him we’d literally be doomed. I should remember i need to word things clearly for some.

At no point during the dialogue does he act like he's helping you through gritted teeth, despairing at his situation and lamenting the loss of his brethren. Some should remember that headcanon isn't canon.

Emet-Selch helps us completely of his own volition, at a time Zodiark still lived and if he had done nothing, the Ascian plan would have won. Why should Elidibus be any different?

[KizuyaKatogami]

At no point during the dialogue does he act like he's helping you through gritted teeth, despairing at his situation and lamenting the loss of his brethren. Some should remember that headcanon isn't canon.

Emet-Selch helps us completely of his own volition, at a time Zodiark still lived and if he had done nothing, the Ascian plan would have won. Why should Elidibus be any different?

Sigh this isn’t the point i’m making at all. Please stop the insinuating if you just don’t understand what i’m saying. We’ll just leave it at that lmao.

[Firlont]

He does mention that it is his duty to help with this because it's Fandaniel's fault, too.

[Theodric]

You keep saying this without any source besides some selected quotes from a popularity poll where she came in third. That's not an actual barometer.

A somewhat distant third at that. The equivalent of a bronze medal, I believe.

[Lurina]

You keep saying this without any source besides some selected quotes from a popularity poll where she came in third. That's not an actual barometer.

Venat is both very popular and controversial in Japan, like here in the west, where every discussion about her turns into a discourse nightmare.

The official forums aren't really used for lore discussion over there (their version of this forum is mostly used for talking about game environments and cosmetics, since it's titled 'world setting' and not 'lore') but there's a lot of it on 2chan.