"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[xenahawk]

If a DPS or healer pulls in front of you as a tank, refusing to grab aggro and watching them die (or not; sometimes the healer or DPS can survive easily) is just petty. It's basically a temper tantrum. It's an "I gotta teach them a lesson" sorta attitude that is frankly kinda cringe.

That's just my opinion! Tanks shouldn't do this!

i personally dont do that when i tank but when i dps or heal i am of the mindset that i fallow the tanks lead and let them go their pace. its one thing when i group with my boyfriend and he warns me he's pulling a new group into me i can adjust but when i tank with others and there is no communication it gets pretty frustrating. basically it boils down to communication. when you group with random people you dont know the capabilities so try communicating if you want to try bigger pulls or what not. accidents happen so it could be even a simple issue of tab targetting the wrong add.

[Raven2014]

I believe the answer you get from the question "who should pull" will mostly be "tanks", which fits the "majority" in your description. So...yeah...that Ego 101 for ya

My man, you're reaching very hard, you're trying to pick, choose, isolate and twist statement to fit your narrative.

I already said:

Second, to be clear:

- When I don't tank, do I pull even if the tank is slow? No.
- When I tank, do I want it when other people pulled for me? No.

While completely missing this point:

But this is the important bit (or rather, the point)

- When I tank, do I take issue with other people pulling ahead of me? A big fat NO.

You're trying to make an argument to argue with yourself, and trying to drag me into it and sorry I'm noping out of it.

- At which point I advocate anyone but the tank should pull?
- How is it ego when I make it clear that while I have a preference, I will always defer to what the party want to do?
- In this context, it's usually the tank who behave as "it's either my way or the highway because I'm a tank".


Next time if you want a discussion, try to discuss what being discussed and not fabricating false argument to push your unrelated native. Like I said, how people should tank is a dead horse argument that I have a negative interest to debate about. And in case you don't know what the topic is, please look at the thread tittle and the OP's post.

[Coratanni]

L O L




Sorry to hear that you haven't improved despite healing for 10 years.

Cute. If ignorant.

[Darthgummibear]

My man, you're reaching very hard, you're trying to pick, choose, isolate and twist statement to fit your narrative.

I already said:



While completely missing this point:




You're trying to make an argument to argue with yourself, and trying to drag me into it and sorry I'm noping out of it.

- At which point I advocate anyone but the tank should pull?
- How is it ego when I make it clear that while I have a preference, I will always defer to what the party want to do?
- In this context, it's usually the tank who behave as "it's either my way or the highway because I'm a tank".


Next time if you want a discussion, try to discuss what being discussed and not fabricating false argument to push your unrelated native. Like I said, how people should tank is a dead horse argument that I have a negative interest to debate about. And in case you don't know what the topic is, please look at the thread tittle and the OP's post.

This is a more well-rounded illustration of the point I was alluding to earlier. Unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears because people see what they want to see.

[Xuled]

Agreed. YPYT are the worst players typically too if you look them up on the forbidden sites. I’d say imagine my shock but it’s not at all. Never seen such incompetence hahahaha

[SenorPatty]

I believe "you pull you tank" originated from more classical (which wasn't that long ago) holy trinity games with harsher encounter requirements, such as enmity ("aggro") management, crowd control, random patrols, etc., where the actual method and techniques used to pull a pack of mobs actually mattered.

You needed to pull without alerting patrols, you needed to pull towards a place where the next patrol will not jump into combat, you needed to establish aggro in a designated order so that crowd controls can be executed (and executed such the the cc'ed mobs aren't going to aggro more patrolling mobs), and you needed to kill the mobs in an order dictated by the characteristics of the various crowd control abilities used by your party, which then would dictate the order of targets on which the tank must "work" on building enmity/threat because of the harsh threat balancing allowing competent DPS players to easily over-taunt a mob.

While FFXIV:ARR also started with those elements, justiying to a good degree the mentality of "you pull you tank" initially; those elements have been steadily removed one after another, and now it doesn't actually matter who pulls, simply because in the current content of FFXIV, there are no more patrols, there are no more places where crowd control provide any benefit, tanks no longer need to work to build enmity, and everything is an AOE-fest anyways.

So the "you pull you tank" mentality no longer has any practical applicability. It is now, for FFXIV at least, purely a question of etiquette and manners, which we all know can differ greatly depending on culture, gaming history, age, or even the mood of the player at that exact point of time.

I would put this in my sig but unfortunately, I currently like mine just a tad more for the time being, at least until YoshiP finally decides to give drks some tlc.

Until then, this post will have to remain in my personal stash, so I can use it in future YPYT dead horse threads.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

now that I finally found it, some of y'all remind me of this particular screenshot[...]

I... cannot read that without twitching my face muscles... Oh God...

I would put this in my sig but unfortunately, I currently like mine just a tad more for the time being, at least until YoshiP finally decides to give drks some tlc.

I am honored, lol

[Isutowaru]

Y'all need to touch some grass and just pull, what's the point in getting angry over a video game because someone pulled ahead of you? Just pull it right off, it only takes a button. If you're gonna sit there and waste 5 minutes of my time because of your ego peen is small, I'm leaving the group, cus I don't want to deal with your idiocracy of letting someone die and making a dungeon longer than it has to be.

Touch grass, pull better.

[Maxilor]

skiros is this the only way you can get people to talk to you

[Jijifli]

I just wanna casually remind everyone refusing to perform your role at all because you dislike somebody in your group is quite literally a ToS violation example under Aiding The Enemy.

Defending YPYT is literally going against the ToS, and Yoshida. So many people praise his words like he's a god until they suddenly don't align with their desire.