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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    She literally lived to watch and guide the world she created, she didn't just ollie out of everything.
    It's a little different watching from the outside versus actually living it herself.

    And there's no evidence Ra-la killed souls so much as just terminated the lives they were living,
    In that case what's even the problem? It's just a willing total societal reset.

    In Buddhist beliefs, you could see Venat's cessation as reaching that goal of nirvana, while Emet-Selch still has growing to do. But those Buddhist notions don't exist in this text, and the game generally looks at it as 'continuing to exist is good and you should generally do that if possible', so suddenly it flips; Venat faces the ultimate punishment of total death for what she did, while Emet-Selch, positioned as essentially her moral mirror, gets to keep going.
    Related to the above, you could say it's so she could never live in the world she made. A tragedy, depending on your perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    It's amusing, if nothing else. Unintentionally so.

    I simply can't help but note that some around these parts were insisting that the Sundering did not qualify as an act of genocide but that the Rejoinings very much did.
    Venat needed to get both achievements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    It's a little different watching from the outside versus actually living it herself.
    Venat lived detached from the world in the star's core, unlike Emet who lived life after life. Emet at times seem to reconsider his path, but Venat never seemed to have done so at all. It never felt like she considered any alternative, but to perpetuate the cycle of suffering for 12,000 years. If she allowed Emet and the other Unsundered to get through her Sundering, she did so with the knowledge of what they were going to do. What they planned to do. While she was in opposition to them, she was also their accomplice in allowing the Rejoinings to happen. I wonder if she had helped the Ascians figure out how to rejoin the worlds, just so she can create the circumstances that led to the WoL meeting her in Endwalker.
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    I'm not going to dignify the unironic 'Ra-la was right' with a response, but I think we all have to recognize that someone did pull an unironic 'Ra-la was right'.

    Quote Originally Posted by LystAP View Post
    Venat lived detached from the world in the star's core, unlike Emet who lived life after life. Emet at times seem to reconsider his path, but Venat never seemed to have done so at all. It never felt like she considered any alternative, but to perpetuate the cycle of suffering for 12,000 years. If she allowed Emet and the other Unsundered to get through her Sundering, she did so with the knowledge of what they were going to do. What they planned to do. While she was in opposition to them, she was also their accomplice in allowing the Rejoinings to happen. I wonder if she had helped the Ascians figure out how to rejoin the worlds, just so she can create the circumstances that led to the WoL meeting her in Endwalker.
    Remember that she directly stated that she did try to stop things--and in fact we confirmably saw her stop at least one Calamity (plausibly two, with the Zodiac Braves against Ultima) with great difficulty and contrived circumstances, so we can reason that doing so is really hard. She knew this plan was needed, but did her best to make it as painless as possible; it's just that she had very little ability to do so compared to the Ascians' ability to make it worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    Remember that she directly stated that she did try to stop things--and in fact we confirmably saw her stop at least one Calamity (plausibly two, with the Zodiac Braves against Ultima) with great difficulty and contrived circumstances, so we can reason that doing so is really hard. She knew this plan was needed, but did her best to make it as painless as possible; it's just that she had very little ability to do so compared to the Ascians' ability to make it worse.
    The best way to stop the Ascians from destroying seven worlds would be to not create them to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    The best way to stop the Ascians from destroying seven worlds would be to not create them to begin with.
    Agreed. Now that we know Hydaelyn spared Emet to allow the time loop to be caused, there's not really any conclusion to be drawn other then that she wanted him to do all the stuff he did. Otherwise, it wouldn't be.
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