"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Denji]

If a DPS or healer pulls in front of you as a tank, refusing to grab aggro and watching them die (or not; sometimes the healer or DPS can survive easily) is just petty. It's basically a temper tantrum. It's an "I gotta teach them a lesson" sorta attitude that is frankly kinda cringe.

That's just my opinion! Tanks shouldn't do this!

Depends.
If it's the first time they pull I'll typically pick it up for them.
If they do it a second time, I'll ask what their deal is.

Third time? You die. Enjoy.

[Greyhawk]

Nah. I think I'll let you die instead. Shouldn't have pulled so much, if you couldn't handle it.

[Raoabolic]

In the end of the day pulling is part of the Tanks job and it always has been in MMO's and for good reason.
There's almost never a good reason for the DPS to pull and the Tank has the best feel for what the comfort level of the Healer ( and themselves ) is.
The DPS has no clue about this and shouldn't be screwing around with that.

You also have to remember that older MMOs that punished this sort of behavior had VERY steep penalties for dying (losing gear, loss of hours of exp, money, ect). This game punishes you by slapping your armor a bit and lowering it's durability. Sadly, this sort of trend is happening because dying is no longer an issue outside of loss of time and a weakness that drops fairly fast.

[Rilifane]

My only input will be; if you pull it, pull it into the tank aoe. If you decide to kite it, that’s on you and there’s no esuna for lack of common sense

That's how deal with it as well.
I don't mind taking extra mobs, doesn't change a thing about which buttons I press. I aoe and mitigate anyway. As long as they stay reasonably close to me and drop them in/ near my aoe, it's all good. Same for healers healing me while pulling: if a mob turns around, just bring it to me, don't start kiting or duelling it somewhere in Narnia. I'm not pulling a bunch of neatly stacked mobs out of groun aoes to chase someone that thought pulling and kiting was a brilliant idea.
Should we wipe because the healer couldn't handle the pull or dps was too low, I'll make sure to let the person pulling know that they caused a wipe and should stop it but if we don't wipe, I don't care.

[DragonFlyy]

Main healer here, Wife is main tank, I also subclass a tank.

The speed of the dungeon should be discussed by the party. Someone who wants to go faster deciding to pull is selfish, no matter the class. Without discussion, you can't know what other people can handle. Talk to the party, get an idea then do the run.

If talking doesn't work then:
If the tank pulls too much the party dies hopefully the tank realizes they pulled to much for the group to handle.

If others pull without discussing, then what happens, happens. I personally will try to pull the mobs off and keep from wiping, then try to talk to the person that is wanting to go faster. My pet peeve however is when a DPS/Healer pulls a boss during others watching a cutscene. Then I sit and watch.

[Kolsykol]

Tbh I think a lot of people assume it's an ego problem to a point it becomes ridiculous.
I've had a Healer before get mad at me because I told DPS to stop pulling because the Healer was afk ( which they were ).
I told them I was going to leave if they kept pulling.
The first thing the Healer said to me after being afk for 10 minutes without saying a word and with wipes with the DPS continuing to run and pull wall to wall was '' then leave ''.

I left.
People just assume the Tank has an ego problem or is toxic without actually considering or giving any thought to why the Tank doesn't want DPS to pull.
To the point that even a Healer who afks without saying anything will give the Tank shit for noticing and waiting.

You also have to remember that older MMOs that punished this sort of behavior had VERY steep penalties for dying (losing gear, loss of hours of exp, money, ect). This game punishes you by slapping your armor a bit and lowering it's durability. Sadly, this sort of trend is happening because dying is no longer an issue outside of loss of time and a weakness that drops fairly fast.

Dying is a waste of time, and we're more likely to die if the DPS pulls.

[Denji]

waste of time

And this is why you don't pull if you're not the tank or haven't previously discussed it with the tank/party.

Even if you think the tank is going slow, you're going to slow things down even more when they stop to scold you. Is it worth trying to save 20 seconds on a pull if the tank stops the entire party in its tracks for 5-10 minutes to argue with you?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Anyone else find it humorous how many threads get made on this board that basically amount to the OP saying they shouldn't have to follow online etiquette or be courteous to other players in game?

[SilverObi]

In the end of the day pulling is part of the Tanks job and it always has been in MMO's and for good reason.
There's almost never a good reason for the DPS to pull and the Tank has the best feel for what the comfort level of the Healer ( and themselves ) is.
The DPS has no clue about this and shouldn't be screwing around with that.

Always? The ones I've played before XIV, the puller was usually a ranged dps or support and the tank would stay at camp or something similar.
If you have to stop for some reason, say something to the others and 9 out of 10 times they'll stop.

Troll fake-concernposting aside, this topic does keep coming up and frankly YPYT is a blackhole of small pp energy that sucks all the fun out of dungeons and boss fights. The tank's job in XIV is to hold aggro but if they get their ego hurt that someone ran ahead of them (why aren't you sprinting?) and decide to flip off stance or stand around and mpk, they're in the wrong.

Also OP: what exactly is your sh*tposting schedule? And how long can we expect you to fart up the forums? Until the next raid tier or what?

[Saraide]

And this is why you don't pull if you're not the tank or haven't previously discussed it with the tank/party.

Even if you think the tank is going slow, you're going to slow things down even more when they stop to scold you. Is it worth trying to save 20 seconds on a pull if the tank stops the entire party in its tracks for 5-10 minutes to argue with you?

That's a silly idea, why would by default assume that every tank is a petty child?

Tbh I think a lot of people assume it's an ego problem to a point it becomes ridiculous.
I've had a Healer before get mad at me because I told DPS to stop pulling because the Healer was afk ( which they were ).
I told them I was going to leave if they kept pulling.
The first thing the Healer said to me after being afk for 10 minutes without saying a word and with wipes with the DPS continuing to run and pull wall to wall was '' then leave ''.

I left.
People just assume the Tank has an ego problem or is toxic without actually considering or giving any thought to why the Tank doesn't want DPS to pull.
To the point that even a Healer who afks without saying anything will give the Tank shit for noticing and waiting.



Dying is a waste of time, and we're more likely to die if the DPS pulls.

This only works under the assumption that everyone else can avoid getting aggro on the extra mobs which is just not possible as healer. But if you attempt a spicy pull without one of the dps it is guaranteed to fail, where as if you played normally and get aggro you have a decent chance of succeeding.