Macrocosmos completely invalidating the P3S heal check is stupid

[HyperiusUltima]

Distinction without a difference. The amount of healing it stores makes it effectively an AOE Benediction with very little effort. It's like saying Essential Dignity isn't Benediction in ARR dungeons- yeah it technically has a potency, that potency just happens to full heal its target 99% of the time. Being spoiled for choice isn't a "downside". "I have so many busted strong abilities that it's hard to juggle all of them" is not an actual weakness..

Yeah? Then perhaps consider Zodiark. He has an HP = 1 Mechanic which we Macro. It DOES NOT HEAL TO FULL, about half as it should be. Also, since when are we talking about “weaknesses”? That sounds like a straw man out of a hat that isn’t very lucrative to this discussion.

I’ll repeat what has echoed through this thread for sake of brevity though: Macrocosmos only does this on one mechanic. ONE.

It’s more of a problem for the community at large refusing to learn alternatives to Macrocosmos - which tends to be a trend every expansion when it comes to raid strategy with 1000 different ways to solve a Rubix Cube.

[eagledorf]

Yeah? Then perhaps consider Zodiark. He has an HP = 1 Mechanic which we Macro. It DOES NOT HEAL TO FULL, about half as it should be. Also, since when are we talking about “weaknesses”? That sounds like a straw man out of a hat that isn’t very lucrative to this discussion.

You see, I know this post is total nonsense because Macrocosmos has 200 potency on top of 50% so what you describe is literally impossible. It will always heal for 50% + half a Helios (or 50% + more than a Succor). If a mechanic brings you down to 1 HP it's healing the party to near 70% unless you have a level 1 weapon or something.

[Mansion]

You see, I know this post is total nonsense because Macrocosmos has 200 potency on top of 50% so what you describe is literally impossible. It will always heal for 50% + half a Helios (or 50% + more than a Succor). If a mechanic brings you down to 1 HP it's healing the party to near 70% unless you have a level 1 weapon or something.

200 potency isn't a lot. Half a Helios is like.... 7K on a good day? Anyway, it surely does not make around 20% HP of one average player.
Which is even beside the point of this argument because you are not putting it in perspective with other similar CDs on the very same mechanic; where a full Lilybell or a Zoed Pneuma would do a better job that Macrocosmos. Macrocosmos works great on sustained damage, which isn't the case in most 1HP + incoming raid buster situations.

[Cheremia]

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I used it on every single normal aoe i could in NORMAL Mode Pandemonium and it healed almost full in every single aoe.
Also checked in dungeon, where i got 17-ishk, damage and healed 13-ishk back.

Also ast can absolutely shield heal?
Neutral sect
Exaltation
Celestial Intersection
Collective Unconscious
And all of it has a verily short cooldown, too and nice sideeffects.

I think they are talking about weaknesses because sage, whm and sch sort of have weaknesses.
Whms are different than SCH and Sage, but all 3 of them do, ast... doesnt.

It's a little bit bloated button wise (i hate minor arcana... so so much, hated it in stormblood where it was ONE button, hate it even more now...), otherwise its fine. People dont actually want a lot of things to do as healer, so they dislike being a bit busy with cards and pretend like delaying heal/cards for one gcd will end the world sometimes.
WHm needs to either dps or heal, can't really do both other than assize and lilybell, which has a mega cooldown. And maybe Asylum but thats too slow most of the time.
Sage and SCH aren't THAT good at panic healing, as i mentioned before. They can? Sure, but they can't do it super mega ultra well for a longer period.
And that is fine since they SHOULD be the healers preventing much damage, not doing what the "pure" healers do.

It's not perfect since these 2 also heal too much but they can struggle more in certain situations because of it.

i play astro and macrocosmos absolutely is an aoe benediction. but unlike benediction, macro requires tight timing for you to truly make the most out of it. thats why i think its fine.

i really rather they make lilybell not garbage (along with the rest of whms kit tbh) instead of busting asts kneecaps to be on level with conjurer 2 like they did in shadowbringers.

Tight timing?
See a big aoe coming?
Use it.

It has a 15 second duration, if you use it before the cast time of the enemy is done, it will work.
Used 90 ast for the first time yesterday and i play from EU on an NA server and i had not a single problem using it in time since it also has a 15 second soak duration.

Benediction is still stuck in the past and has a 1-ish? seconds Animation delay of where its only after the whole twirl and staff lifting where the target actually gets healed.


And yeah... poor lilybell...

[QooEr]

Tight timing?
See a big aoe coming?
Use it.

why would i waste the strongest heal ast has on just some plain old aoe i can heal with earhtly star? im talking about things like, just off the top of my head, using macrocosmos for things like p2s changeling flow so that it heals people after the first set of mechanics go out so that neither healer has to heal that mechanic. too early and you miss the puddles, too late and people die to the next push. i also use it for act 2 of p4s, at the exact moment that i have enough time to move to do the mechanic while also managing to hit everyone, and also fully heal all the damage at the end before the next big raidwide. if my gcd isnt aligned perfectly i have to clip the gcd or else i wont be able to actually heal everyone in time or its gonna be too early and get wasted.

those 2 are just examples off the top of my head where i can save a lot of healing if i plan my usage correctly, and im sure plenty more examples will pop up.

It has a 15 second duration, if you use it before the cast time of the enemy is done, it will work.
Used 90 ast for the first time yesterday and i play from EU on an NA server and i had not a single problem using it in time since it also has a 15 second soak duration.

the key point im trying to make here is making the most out of it. im not gonna waste macrocosmos on random boss attacks that i dont even need to gcd heal in the first place. if the party is gonna spread out too much to actually heal them, you can take those 15 seconds to your advantage, but youll have to actually time macrocosmos so that the timer on microcosmos runs out at just the right moment.

[Cheremia]

Yoink

Ah, gotcha!
Just learning timing of skills and what else you can squeeze in, makes sense.

I dont do savage and only tested macrocosmos on single aoes for now, just to see how much it heals first and how much i can greed it and all.
I wanna see the cheese on single things because it feels way stronger than it's "supposed" to but i suck at math anyways.
Its really strong even for single baby aoes too, tho, which is just really funny. But of course if you can organize heals better, you'd want to soak more damage, yeah.

[HyperiusUltima]

I used it on every single normal aoe i could in NORMAL Mode Pandemonium and it healed almost full in every single aoe.
Also checked in dungeon, where i got 17-ishk, damage and healed 13-ishk back.

This isn't an accurate assessment in regards to Macro's actual output. In Normal Mode and dungeons you are not going to be hard pressed, plus you have to take into account you have a random healer with you that potentially could throw off your assessment. Dungeons also are not a good gauge of a job's kit, mainly because of the damage intake the current dungeons have. Sure, the tank will get a lot when used on large pulls, but it doesn't do it justice otherwise.

Also ast can absolutely shield heal?
Neutral sect
Exaltation
Celestial Intersection
Collective Unconscious
And all of it has a verily short cooldown, too and nice sideeffects.

Exaltation is a Mitigation, not a Shield. It heals after it expires.

Intersection is arguable at best since it's useful about every 30s; and a lot of damage can happen in 30s despite how you have two charges of it.

CU is again, a Mitigation that comes with a HoT attached to it. Not a Shield.

I think they are talking about weaknesses because sage, whm and sch sort of have weaknesses.
Whms are different than SCH and Sage, but all 3 of them do, ast... doesnt.

This is where the job design matters since the stat squish and their opting to split the healers into two different types. Sure, AST has a large wellspring of MP due to Cards and their self-buff, but when I was playing it optimally I found I still had to use Lucid to keep my MP going despite using Draw every 30s next to Astrodyne; so I feel there is a slight exaggeration on AST's limitations when comparing them to others in a high-end fight such as this.