Macrocosmos completely invalidating the P3S heal check is stupid

[eagledorf]

There's been a lot of complaint about WHM being unviable this raid tier. This is true, but to me the even more offensive problem is how broken AST is in P3S, which is kind of a gate for people trying to clear content using Party Finder.

Macrocosmos' tooltip says that it recovers 50% of all damage taken when triggered. I imagine that SE intended that this would give AST not only a strong AoE heal, but an easy way to cleanse Walking Dead from DRK similar to Benediction on WHM.

Unfortunately this means that for mechanics with "certain death" damage like the Death Toll mechanic in P3S, Macrocosmos will recover 100% HP to the entire party. This means that while literally any other combination of healing jobs in the game needs to dump almost their entire kit to handle the mechanic (or use a healer LB), an AST by themselves can handle the mechanic with a single button.

This is really, really dumb. If the mechanic can be handled with a single oGCD there's no point having the mechanic in a fight at all, not to mention how terrible this is for job balance. If SE doesn't have the courage to adjust Macrocosmos, then they should just remove Death Toll from P3S entirely and be done with it.

[pinkbubblegum]

R... Remove it......

idk. I think P3 has distinct parts where certain jobs shine the most. Like, FoF is best tackled by Lillybell or Faerie if you want pure ogcd coverage for that bit. Macro makes Death's Toll one button, yeah. But on the flipside, needing an entire kit's worth of heals to resolve isn't also super accurate imho.

Heal booting things like Asylum and Physis help. Zoe+Pneuma from Sage is also great. Idk I feel any comp can do it given the party isn't taking unnecessary damage that they end up being unable to save the cds they need for Death's Toll...

[Semirhage]

Macrocosmos is Benediction except it's party-wide and deals damage too. Because Astrologian is overpowered.

[HyperiusUltima]

Macrocosmos is Benediction except it's party-wide and deals damage too. Because Astrologian is overpowered.

Macrocosmos is effective at what it does, but consider how overbloated we are on oGCD healing on all fronts exempting WHM. You put two healers in a proper big heal combo for Death's Toll? Say a SGE and a SCH? You'll see people be able to heal up real quick. WHM probably has the worst of it because they don't have a big on-demand heal, plus LotB is kinda useless in that instance due to the Beyond Death mechanic. Generally for WHM I'd imagine you'd have to pop Temperance for the bonus healing, Plenary, M2, and spam heals until your party is good(which is REALLY taxing on WHM unless they've stocked up enough Lilies).

Generally, WHM just needs a better MP economy and maybe some more potency on their healing to match up to the other contenders like AST and SGE, because WHM is really lacking in terms of design in my opinion.

[ty_taurus]

Imagine a healer ability actually worthy of its 3 minute cooldown.

I'm looking at you Benediction, Liturgy of the Bell, Dissipation...

[EaMett]

Macros is fine imo. And when it comes to this specific mechanic, can't all other healers just LB3 cheese that check anyways? There are plenty of other sections where other healer's kit shines and macro is pretty meh. Cherry-picking that one time it's perfect for the job doesn't paint a full picture.

[Semirhage]

> Healer LB3
> One single ability from a BS overtuned healing job

Eeeeeeeeehhhhh I think the party appreciates being able to use melee LB3 instead. "merely" using LB3 instead of a single ability, what the hell.

[Ironthorne]

The fact that SE refuses to adjust the mechanic or how the skill works at all can mean either they don't care enough about healers' balance to fix it, or it's working as intended and it will happen again. I don't like it either way.

[eagledorf]

Yes, any pair of healers can do it. Sanctuary, PoM, Indom, Cure III, Assylum, etc. The kit is there.

Or your AST can push one button and DPS nonstop while the other healer goes on DPSing and if SCH dumps the stacks they don't need to use to heal because AST is broken for DPS. If you think that's working great I feel like we have a fundamental disagreement about how much advantage a single job should ever have over every other one and an even bigger disagreement of how trivial heal checks should be in Savage content.

[pinkbubblegum]

This is the same as Lillybell during FoF though haha. That's 4 GCDs your bell is covering for an entire area every fountain soak that neither healer has to do anything other than DPS xD

Only thing Lily can't do is shield for the next 2 Scorches but like honestly, one job having an advantage over one part of the fight is fine for me.