Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

[Nav_Fae]

What are you on about? No one said you can't enjoy Endwalker. You want to claim I am Strawmanning while doing just that? I'm talking about a word. A very specific word that you are obsessing over and becoming offended about. And that if you are so offended by being accused of fanboyism (read: bias), then obviously it holds some truth. I didn't even say anything about the story to you. You need to take a breather, dude. Relax. Enjoy what you enjoy.

Who is telling you to hate end walker? Ironic you accuse people of strawmanning when that is a literal strawman. I even said people are allowed to think and feel what they want. That I believe that’s what this discussion is about. If you like it, go ahead. Doesn’t effect me. As others not caring for it should have no effect on anyone else. Calm down.

Strawman while accusing someone who isn’t if strawmanning…. Seriously

Oh now we got some whataboutism now. "You said I strawmanned now I'm saying you did too!". So we're going to imply I'm a hypocritic or something because I pointed it out to you first. Niceeee

Well since you both seem to think I need to chill out, Imma piece outta here and go play Endwalker and enjoy myself
o/ Have a nice day.

[Seiori]

Why do you make these terrible topics?

To get a rise and arguments going, some people enjoy watching stuff like that unfold, it tickles them, they know how to set the bait and make sport out of it. The other alternative is he is a defender of the minority and wants to give them a voice.

[Kolaina]

Oh now we got some whataboutism now. "You said I strawmanned now I'm saying you did too!". So we're going to imply I'm a hypocritic or something because I pointed it out to you first. Niceeee

Well since you both seem to think I need to chill out, Imma piece outta here and go play Endwalker o/ Have a nice day.

I’m not implying. I’m saying. Show me where I said you should not like endwalker and I’ll retract calling you a hypocrite. Now you’re attempting to gaslight when everything is clearly typed throughout this thread. =]

[MaxCarnage]

I’m not implying. I’m saying. Show me where I said you should not like endwalker and I’ll retract calling you a hypocrite. Now you’re attempting to gaslight when everything is clearly typed throughout this thread. =]

That seems to be a common trend here. "I'm going to accuse you of what I am actually doing so that you can't accuse me of doing it. And if you call me out on it, I'll gaslight you." Some people get so offended over nothing. Tell them that they can enjoy things if they want but you, personally, didn't and they attack you for being a hater. Funnily enough, that is a prime example of exactly what this thread is about.

[Remish]

Oh now we got some whataboutism now. "You said I strawmanned now I'm saying you did too!". So we're going to imply I'm a hypocritic or something because I pointed it out to you first. Niceeee

Well since you both seem to think I need to chill out, Imma piece outta here and go play Endwalker and enjoy myself
o/ Have a nice day.

I’m not implying. I’m saying. Show me where I said you should not like endwalker and I’ll retract calling you a hypocrite. Now you’re attempting to gaslight when everything is clearly typed throughout this thread. =]

That seems to be a common trend here. "I'm going to accuse you of what I am actually doing so that you can't accuse me of doing it. And if you call me out on it, I'll gaslight you." Some people get so offended over nothing. Tell them that they can enjoy things if they want but you, personally, didn't and they attack you for being a hater. Funnily enough, that is a prime example of exactly what this thread is about.

I'm going to give to you all straight. You're all strawmanning and gaslighting each other and not one of you are innocent and quite frankly it's annoying to read. Stop with the drama because right now I can't take any of you seriously. You're all in the wrong.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The cult-like fanaticism surrounding the game's story is honestly scary at times.

There is no Cult. Stop using Buzzwords that you likely got from Youtube or Twitch
People being enthusiastic about their game is not a Cult or Cult-like.

[MaxCarnage]

I'm going to give to you all straight. You're all strawmanning and gaslighting each other and not one of you are innocent and quite frankly it's annoying to read. Stop with the drama because right now I can't take any of you seriously. You're all in the wrong.

I would like to give it to you straight, as well. I would like you to point out where I Strawmanned. I would like to know how I accused them of saying something they did not say. I apologize if this comes off as standoffish. I'd like to see where I committed this fallacy. If I did, I will apologize.

[Mordrick]

Because these threads are more entertaining than this games msq

You're still doing the MSQ?

[Conundrum]

TLOU 2's "feedback" has been rigged since its release. I've never seen a game go on sale as much as that one has. lol And it was sitting on store shelves less than a month later while Ghost of Tsushima was selling out everywhere. So yeah, it's hard to take many official game reviews from supposedly credible sites seriously since.

TLOU2 was all about the gaming """news""" sites pushing their politics.

[YukikoKurosawa]

I wouldn't say shaming, but more confusing. It would be like playing The last of us or Life is Strange for the gameplay. You are kind of missing a huge part of what the game offers but it's your money, so who cares? Just don't go asking dumb story related questions in chat if you are going to ignore said story.

I mean I feel like people who skip the story can never coherently explain what it is they actually enjoy about the game. I can think of numerous reasons, to say there's nothing to enjoy outside of MSQ is silly, but certainly without it the game would feel significantly more hollow. And honestly, there are better games if I'm more interested in gameplay. It's just a pattern I've noticed among them, they skip through everything (some even paying for a boost), and if you ask what they like to do in the game, and just dance around the answer. Endgame, they will probably say if anything. And by endgame, they mean the latest content patch and nothing else. I mean fundamentally this game is just not very strong from a purely gameplay perspective, as enjoyable as it still is. Which does beg the question as to why these people would intentionally single this game out of countless other games which offer better in that regard and pick this one instead.