Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

[Nav_Fae]

When they are being disingenuous in a dismissal, it’s not about passion. Also, who says I’m looking to convert anyone or “wake them up”? People are entitled to their own thoughts and feelings. That’s what this thread is about after all. But to claim something is completely devoid of context because you disagree; I can call it fanboyism, which is a description of their approach, or call them a liar, which would be directed more at them than an action. Sorry you see criticism as an insult when fanboyism is clearly something that clearly exists. It is part of certain cultures

Criticism isn't an insult. Saying it's fanboyism because you yourself disagreed is an insult. Nobody is going to have a serious genuine discussion with anyone that labels them as fanboy or cultist. You are allowed to critique the game and they are allowed to defend it. I just find it odd people take some sort of moral high ground against people who enjoy the game as they're some blind worshipping bigot. What I'm trying to say is there are better ways to give your criticism than to lump people from the opposition as fanboyism.

[Amon-ster]

I don't really think you can compare XIV to Life is Strange. There is PLENTY of video game here outside of the MSQ. There is virtually no video game outside of the story of Life is Strange.

[SpanishInkwehsitor]

I wouldn't say shaming, but more confusing. It would be like playing The last of us or Life is Strange for the gameplay. You are kind of missing a huge part of what the game offers but it's your money, so who cares? Just don't go asking dumb story related questions in chat if you are going to ignore said story.

People came to Last of Us to kill some zombie. Life is Strange is a story-based game, I'll grant that one. They telegraph it pretty hard that it's story-based so if you go for gameplay you're totally in the wrong. But Final Fantasy was never that.

Final Fantasy story in general has been hit-or-miss and the mileage varies per person. I don't think as many people come to a Final Fantasy for story then the ones that come for just the name, to see Chocobos, or and swing questionably-designed swords.

Back in StB I had no idea what the story was about because I skipped everything. I had so much fun though. Loved all the raids and trials and when I first did Orbonne I was blown away. I just loved all the boss designs and the way the classes played. I was an AST main and was having a blast playing that class. When I finally got into DoL and DoH classes I had fun with that too, especially with btn. I thought it was so cool that you had to gather things at a certain time of day. Back then I had no idea that the story was the selling point because the friend that recommended it to me was a cutscene skipper too lol.

I tried to pay attention in stormblood and still don't remember much. There's a rebellion. Empire Bad. There's a guy out there that can STILL outperform the WoL somehow until plot dictates that he can't. That's about it.

Orbonne is cool, though.

[Kolaina]

Criticism isn't an insult. Saying it's fanboyism because you yourself disagreed is an insult. Nobody is going to have a serious genuine discussion with anyone that labels them as fanboy or cultist. You are allowed to critique the game and they are allowed to defend it. I just find it odd people take some sort of moral high ground against people who enjoy the game as they're some blind worshipping bigot. What I'm trying to say is there are better ways to give your criticism than to lump people from the opposition as fanboyism.

Where did they defend it? I saw someone say “devoid of context” while ignoring literally the context. Getting upset in such a manner, blind to the context because feelings are forefront, is part of fanboyism, which does exist and is not an insult, if you are insulted by it, that’s a feeling of shame you may hold for yourself

[Nav_Fae]

Nope, no shame here. What a particular thing to say. Not even sure what that is supposed to mean.

If fanboyism isn't an insult then nobody should take offense if the opposition labeled them trolls and haters when they disagree. It goes both way then.

[nighttimebunny]

it's directed at people who brag about it usually. like it's something to be proud of? no one really cares what you do in your game, but when you post something negative about something in a place where the vast majority enjoys said thing, expect people to disagree.

[Kolaina]

Nope, no shame here. What a particular thing to say. Not even sure what that is supposed to mean.

If fanboyism isn't an insult then nobody should take offense if the opposition labeled them trolls and haters when they disagree. It goes both way then.

Well hater is usually used to dismiss any valid argument. Good stretch though. The words and their uses are not synonymous. Fanboyism would suggest blind passion. Far different than dismissing what someone says

[MaxCarnage]

Nope, no shame here. What a particular thing to say. Not even sure what that is supposed to mean.

If fanboyism isn't an insult then nobody should take offense if the opposition labeled them trolls and haters when they disagree. It goes both way then.

The fact that you are getting so bent out of shape by the word "fanboy" would suggest that you feel some sort of shame about it. Being a "fanboy" isn't so much of a personal attack as an observation about potential bias. Meanwhile "troll" or "hater" would suggest that you are an angry, hateful person who just wants to cause problems. There is a difference.

[Mordrick]

Why do you make these terrible topics?

[Kolaina]

Why do you make these terrible topics?

Because these threads are more entertaining than this games msq