In March Linux Proton Users Will No Longer Be Able to Play The Game

[HereInPlainSight]

Their reasons cited were the sheer numbers of distros and kernel versions plus customizations that can render the game unplayable from one setup to the next.

No one is realistically asking for devs to target Linux as a whole. People are asking them not to hose Proton compatibility, which is a much more stable -- and more importantly, static -- target.

Good. Stop trying to play games on Linux.

I love how you effectively just said 'stop trying to play games on the Steam Deck,' which is, by design, made to play games on Linux, made by the largest distribution platform of PC games around. Nice. Makes you sound like you're really here with a good faith argument.

In other news -- the game itself works great in Linux. Solid performance. The new launcher's a cludge of outdated technology and the game already packs CEF into every install, which lets Linux run the old launcher just fine. (I'm pretty sure the default installation via Steam still activates the old launcher for compatibility, even.) Just allow Steam users to opt out of this change and there's no problem -- not for Linux users or for Windows users who don't want to have to launch through Steam, for any one of a number of reasons people have been outlining in the other thread. Square will have done its due diligence in trying to honor contracts with Valve while still allowing users to have the final say in whether or not they want this particular brand of security.

[Imora]

No one is realistically asking for devs to target Linux as a whole. People are asking them not to hose Proton compatibility, which is a much more stable -- and more importantly, static -- target.



I love how you effectively just said 'stop trying to play games on the Steam Deck,' which is, by design, made to play games on Linux, made by the largest distribution platform of PC games around. Nice. Makes you sound like you're really here with a good faith argument.

In other news -- the game itself works great in Linux. Solid performance. The new launcher's a cludge of outdated technology and the game already packs CEF into every install, which lets Linux run the old launcher just fine. (I'm pretty sure the default installation via Steam still activates the old launcher for compatibility, even.) Just allow Steam users to opt out of this change and there's no problem -- not for Linux users or for Windows users who don't want to have to launch through Steam, for any one of a number of reasons people have been outlining in the other thread. Square will have done its due diligence in trying to honor contracts with Valve while still allowing users to have the final say in whether or not they want this particular brand of security.

Perfectly understandable.

I'm not entirely sure they thought this one through, honestly, but it doesn't surprise me.

[BristolRuss]

I love how you effectively just said 'stop trying to play games on the Steam Deck,' which is, by design, made to play games on Linux

I believe you can install Windows on the Steamdeck, correct? So it should be entirely possible to play FFXIV on it by using a supported operating system rather than an unsupported one.

[HereInPlainSight]

I believe you can install Windows on the Steamdeck, correct? So it should be entirely possible to play FFXIV on it by using a supported operating system rather than an unsupported one.

You're aware that Windows itself is the 'unsupported OS' for the SteamDeck, correct? If we're going to get into the 'don't install unsupported things,' here's the situation:

Windows is able to be installed on the SteamDeck, but it is not supported.

Linux is able to install XIV, but it is not supported.

So it's not that you have a problem with unsupported things, apparently? Why do you find one method which is not supported acceptable but not another?

Personally, I'm expecting to see some Olympic-level gymnastics, here.

[BristolRuss]

You're aware that Windows itself is the 'unsupported OS' for the SteamDeck, correct? If we're going to get into the 'don't install unsupported things,' here's the situation:

Windows is able to be installed on the SteamDeck, but it is not supported.

Linux is able to install XIV, but it is not supported.

So it's not that you have a problem with unsupported things, apparently? Why do you find one method which is not supported acceptable but not another?

Personally, I'm expecting to see some Olympic-level gymnastics, here.

I'm not suggesting should install Windows on a Steamdeck, just that it is an option - and the only one that SE will support.

I am not anti Linux or pro Windows. I sympathize with the people that this will affect. But at the end of the day it is SE's game, and if they want to make changes that doesn't violate the ToS then that is their prerogative. They don't support Linux as a platform and so Linux users can't complain too loudly if they are suddenly cut off. That is a risk you were taking by playing on an unsupported system.

[FaeAlicia]

I am not anti Linux or pro Windows. I sympathize with the people that this will affect. But at the end of the day it is SE's game, and if they want to make changes that doesn't violate the ToS then that is their prerogative. They don't support Linux as a platform and so Linux users can't complain too loudly if they are suddenly cut off. That is a risk you were taking by playing on an unsupported system.

For someone without a bias, you're sure coming up with a lot of excuses to dismiss the concerns of Linux users.

My own personal view is that Linux runs better on my system than Windows, even as I'm running on a Ryzen 2600, so I would rather avoid the bloatware that is Windows for the extra performance Linux offers me. Doubly so for being poor and wanting to avoid having to shell out money wherever I can.

I understand most don't have the capability to use Linux, so this is purely a matter of preference for me. But if the shoe were on the other foot, I certainly wouldn't say that Windows users should walk on eggshells when complaining about a game that isn't supported on their platform but generally works well on it.

Anyway, the point of all this is that SE could make one simple change and this wouldn't just be a non-issue for Linux users, but also actually increase stability and performance of the launcher in Windows as well. Eliminating MSHTML and using the CEF that's already shipped with all versions of the launcher anyway would fix a lot of the issues people were having even in Windows while still ensuring Steam Deck compatibility and not cutting off an entire section of the playerbase. It's a poor design decision at the very least, and the problems it causes -- both Windows and Linux alike -- are wholly unnecessary since the solution is already there and would take minimal effort on their end to implement.

[DPZ2]

Anyway, the point of all this is that SE could make one simple change and this wouldn't just be a non-issue for Linux users,

The current launcher in Windows works fine. There are no 'performance' issues for the launcher ... it launches the game. Or are you implying that the launcher sticks around after the game is started?

"Simple fix" for something that is not really broken on the platform for which it is designed, but can't be run by users of a particular non-Windows PC/game console? I see the problem. You're basically asking a game company to officially support their game on Steam Deck/Linux.

Say that. Show how many Linux-platform gamers would purchase a license to run the game on Steam Deck, show SE that it makes financial sense for them to offer support for Yet Another Platform. Make that case.

Better yet: ask Steam to fix the issue on their platform that causes the problem.

[Ransu]

No one is realistically asking for devs to target Linux as a whole. People are asking them not to hose Proton compatibility, which is a much more stable -- and more importantly, static -- target.



I love how you effectively just said 'stop trying to play games on the Steam Deck,' which is, by design, made to play games on Linux, made by the largest distribution platform of PC games around. Nice. Makes you sound like you're really here with a good faith argument.

In other news -- the game itself works great in Linux. Solid performance. The new launcher's a cludge of outdated technology and the game already packs CEF into every install, which lets Linux run the old launcher just fine. (I'm pretty sure the default installation via Steam still activates the old launcher for compatibility, even.) Just allow Steam users to opt out of this change and there's no problem -- not for Linux users or for Windows users who don't want to have to launch through Steam, for any one of a number of reasons people have been outlining in the other thread. Square will have done its due diligence in trying to honor contracts with Valve while still allowing users to have the final say in whether or not they want this particular brand of security.

lol steamdeck will bomb like every other hardware attempt Valve makes. Linux is not and never will be a gaming OS despite valves attempts to make it so. It accounts for 1% of steams population yet more than half the support tickets for developers that support linux are from linux users because of how unintuitive and how much jank you have to do to get a game to run on linux. Linux is and always will be a dev tool for IT and nothing else. It will never be good for gaming and it will never be good as a daily driver for your every day user.