Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[YukikoKurosawa]

Again, you underestimate how easy it is to stay alive as a dps or healer when most bosses are as telegraphed as they are. You can choose not to participate if you wish, but chances are that someone else will join in the moment I land the first attack and we will all finish the raid faster while the new person is safe within the cutscene, free to enjoy it for as long as they wish. We will all then forcibly watch the true final boss cutscene during its transition.

Letting people wipe "to teach them a lesson" is an example of uncooperative behavior that violates ToS. Pulling when the majority have already watched a cutscene in a *24* man instance is not. Also for the dungeons I mentioned in my post-if you think I will sit there doing nothing during one of those dungeons that literally goes out of its way to slow people down with poison puddles and another whose pre-boss cutscene must be at least 5 minutes long, I am very sorry but I would rather bail entirely in favor of a shorter dungeon and leave the sprouts to find someone else to do the run with.

I notice that we have gone past trying to appeal to my morality, but I am still unconvinced of the sacredness of letting sprouts watch the entire minutes-long cutscenes without pulling ahead. There is simply no justifying the wait past the first 2 weeks that the raid launches in, because after that chances are most people you'll see in there are no longer new and want to just grab their loot and leave.

I assure you were we in a 4 man, which is the scenario you mentioned, and I am the tank, and you pull as a dps, nobody is going to defend you, nobody is going to be mad at me for letting you die. I'm also sure nobody would oppose if I initiated a vote-kick which odds are I would. To suggest you, knowingly, doing something toxic, being responded to predictably, then painting the people you were toxic towards as the bad guys and suggesting they be banned (and I have seen you in other threads on this topic suggest cutscene watchers are breaking TOS for watching cutscenes after you pulled without warning or consent (and not even as the tank) because they were too busy watching a cutscene to help). This is the literal definition of being passive aggressive, I'd go further and argue this is just straight up anti-social behavior.

In an alliance raid? Sure you'll probably get away with it. You might not, though. But in dungeon? No, I assure you you will be running in alone and recieving no heals or taunting off, and odds are end up vote-kicked. It doesn't matter if you don't cause a wipe, you're displaying an extremely toxic attitude and utter lack of respect for other players which I have zero tolerance or patience for.

[pyxls]

We need (baby)gating at final bosses if people skip/autoskip, like we are gated at the beginning of dungeons/raids/etc, then it unlocks once watchers are finished, tbf.

You can watch the cutscene and remain invulnerable as long as you do not exit out early, and aren't missing much in later raids because the last actual pre-final boss cutscene is an unskipable transition.

Puppet's Bunker is already a long headache of a raid so I cannot blame anyone who pulls the last boss early, seeing as by that point everyone is desperate to just get out of there.

You sound like you're excruciatingly inconvenienced by new players/scene watchers.

[YukikoKurosawa]

I don’t think you understand, I play this game for me. For my progress. For my enjoyment. Not anyone else’s except maybe my spouse. The people I get paired with are a means to an end towards my own goals.
Ask yourself. At the end of the day, who are you to me?

Do you have absolutely zero self-awareness, and lack even the most basic level of empathy and perspective that you would type this unironically and expect anyone to still respect you and your time, which you have just expressed you believe is the only person's time that is worth respecting? You do understand that this mentality can go both ways, right?

If many of the takes in this thread are an indication of the current state of the community than by god SE has somehow managed to breed one of the most anti-social communities in the entire MMO-market.

[Kolaina]

Do you have absolutely zero self-awareness, and lack even the most basic level of empathy and perspective that you would type this unironically and expect anyone to still respect you and your time, which you have just expressed you believe is the only person's time that is worth respecting? You do understand that this mentality can go both ways, right?

If many of the takes in this thread are an indication of the current state of the community than by god SE has somehow managed to breed one of the most anti-social communities in the entire MMO-market.

You must of missed the part where it doesn’t matter to me. I log in for me. I log in so I can play. I have no attachment to the random people I get paired with. No emotional investment. I log in so I can level up my character. So I can gear up my character. I’m allowed to play for me. Regardless if it’s a multiplayer game or not.
Question about respecting my time while implying I should respect others. You followed it up perfectly

You do understand that this mentality can go both ways, right?

[van_arn]

I don't see what the problem is currently. If you want to watch the cutscene, watch the cutscene. If you want to fight, fight. If you watch the cutscene, you'll get teleported in when it's over anyway. Nobody really needs to wait on anyone.

[Alaray]

Generally speaking, I won't just instantly pull a boss if someone says "I have a cutscene".

If no one says anything, boss be pulled. If someone complains, shoulda like, y'know, communicated.

If boss pulled anyway, I'll participate, since end of the day I don't control the 23 other players.

[Cheremia]

I sound like enjoying the cutscene and full fight is what people want and that maybe missing a bit of it isnt the coolest feeling.

And you guys sound like doing Roulettes, a tool mostly created so older, irrelevant content have a chance to being run by people who didnt do it by slapping rewards on it, is going to waste all of the precious time you dont have to play the game 1-2 minutes longer.
The random thing (higher raid than ct) does mean that at least one person queued for it. Not all the time, but most of it.

I dont want to run exdeath and alex for 90% of my normals, yet new people queue for it. Since more people are unlocking these things.
CT is a whole other problem.
Every time yojimbo pops somebody complains about the queue but for that one:
This goes for both: PF is a thing.
Chances are, but dont think this is a fact, that the ones that want to zoom through roulettes fill faster.
Heck, in a 4man party, you can turn on „limited leveling“ roulette, which turns dungeons 7 levels below you off completely, speeding up the whole thing even more.
But then again, still would need to wait for the pf to fill for the roulettes…

Everybody plays for themself but some people want to be nice to others and also dont play with a timecrunch that ruins it all if they have to wait for somebody to watch cutscenes.
Playing teamgames without being a teamplayer basically, no?

Also as long as this game exists, i will always be new to the newest content.

[aveyond-dreams]

I assure you were we in a 4 man, which is the scenario you mentioned, and I am the tank, and you pull as a dps, nobody is going to defend you, nobody is going to be mad at me for letting you die. I'm also sure nobody would oppose if I initiated a vote-kick which odds are I would. To suggest you, knowingly, doing something toxic, being responded to predictably, then painting the people you were toxic towards as the bad guys and suggesting they be banned (and I have seen you in other threads on this topic suggest cutscene watchers are breaking TOS for watching cutscenes after you pulled without warning or consent (and not even as the tank) because they were too busy watching a cutscene to help). This is the literal definition of being passive aggressive, I'd go further and argue this is just straight up anti-social behavior.

In an alliance raid? Sure you'll probably get away with it. You might not, though. But in dungeon? No, I assure you you will be running in alone and recieving no heals or taunting off, and odds are end up vote-kicked. It doesn't matter if you don't cause a wipe, you're displaying an extremely toxic attitude and utter lack of respect for other players which I have zero tolerance or patience for.

It is extremely possible to clear the average 4-man final boss of a dungeon without a tank or a healer, believe me. Bloodbath, second wind, Vercure, Radiant Aegis, you name it. You can choose to not participate and I will choose to get the dungeon over with as opposed to wasting time doing nothing. That kind of uncooperative behavior does not come across as mature and reads as an overreaction to what I have yet to be convinced is a big deal.

At least your post has offered me greater insight as to your position, but I feel the need to remind people once again that tanks are not necessarily the king of the party-do not underestimate people’s ability to heal and dodge through the telegraphed mechanics of the game. Forgive me if I do not place the value of the average generic boss cutscene, especially those that drag on far beyond a reasonable amount of time, on the level of an important cutscene like us walking through the gates of Ishgard.

[Tlamila]

What saddens me the most is finding out that some people in this thread I won't call names are in my same dc and I might end up in a run with them.

[Kolaina]

What saddens me the most is finding out that some people in this thread I won't call names are in my same dc and I might end up in a run with them.

Who knows, maybe there’s more. Some post on alts so as not to be lynched in game, you never know where someone may actually be from, what they actually play and how much experience they have