Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[Cheremia]

Why do you play an mmo instead of a singleplayer, where you don't have to worry about OTHER people or how they value their time? You know, where you can take your ownt time?
Not intended to a a "just quit lol" thing. But doing duties and holding other people hostage seems silly to me

This game has a story(and other players)
Raids have a story(and 23 other players)
Boss cutscenes are part of that(and not one person here has said you should skip them if you don't want to)

You play the mmo without consideration of others

People play games for enjoyment, and if that enjoyment differs from yours, that doesnt make you right.

Why not answer me instead?

You chose to play a group based game for what purpose if you can't wait for a person to be new?
Why does a new person have to bend to the other person because they chose to not week 1 stuff and just happen to start playing later?

How people with little time use their time is their business, of course, not going to tell them not to play.
But if they CAN NOT possibly EVER take more time than usual for an instance without the new people wasting their precious time, then they shouldnt do long roulettes to begin with.
You dont need to do alliance or leveling roulettes, which usually take the longest. Especially since the Paradigms Cutscene isnt even THAT long, it just FEELS long. It's almost 2 minutes.

You also can use the PF.

Can't wait for getting that back at me "new people also could use the pf"
Yes, could, goes both ways.

I love how you go the way and saying you're being held hostage when you chose to do random roulettes with random people in an mmo thats more popular than ever and has more new people than ever. Who's being held hostage by who if you chose to go to your abducter in the first place?
"respect for me, not for thee"

[BigHoffie]

"respect for me, not for thee"

The irony of saying this over and over like it's some sort of "gotcha" is equal parts depressing and amusing. Like people have said(over and over and over), it can't be a small deal to wait a minute for a cutscene and a huge deal to miss a minute of a fight. Pick one, or stop telling people what to do. Ya arent the boss of this game and for that I am infinitely grateful.

[Reality23]

The irony of saying this over and over like it's some sort of "gotcha" is equal parts depressing and amusing. Like people have said(over and over and over), it can't be a small deal to wait a minute for a cutscene and a huge deal to miss a minute of a fight. Pick one, or stop telling people what to do. Ya arent the boss of this game and for that I am infinitely grateful.

It's probably that I am new and don't understand the situation entirely yet. Does missing the first minute of the fight cause the players who get in late from watching the cut scene to also miss their credit/reward from the fight? If not it's no big deal. On the other hand (as I said in an earlier message) if people not waiting means that people are basically forced to re-run the entire dungeon again for wanting to see the cut scene once, then I think it's a bigger deal, and you should wait.

Of course as I also said the entire problem could probably be resolved by just making the cut scenes viewable in some kind of theater.

[Seiori]

It's probably that I am new and don't understand the situation entirely yet. Does missing the first minute of the fight cause the players who get in late from watching the cut scene to also miss their credit/reward from the fight? If not it's no big deal. On the other hand (as I said in an earlier message) if people not waiting means that people are basically forced to re-run the entire dungeon again for wanting to see the cut scene once, then I think it's a bigger deal, and you should wait.

Of course as I also said the entire problem could probably be resolved by just making the cut scenes viewable in some kind of theater.

cut scenes can be viewed in the Inn room journal, including raid scenes that you finish.

[Reality23]

cut scenes can be viewed in the Inn room journal, including raid scenes that you finish.

Okay, if that is true then I am not seeing why this would be a recurring issue that spawns a ton of pages. I mean it's nice to be able to watch the cut scene as it happens, but if the group isn't willing to wait for new people (they should say "hi I'm new, can I watch the cut scene" or something ) it shouldn't be a huge deal to cancel it and just watch it elsewhere.... at least that's my opinion.

[Seiori]

Okay, if that is true then I am not seeing why this would be a recurring issue that spawns a ton of pages. I mean it's nice to be able to watch the cut scene as it happens, but if the group isn't willing to wait for new people (they should say "hi I'm new, can I watch the cut scene" or something ) it shouldn't be a huge deal to cancel it and just watch it elsewhere.... at least that's my opinion.

Surprisingly some people don't know about the journal in the inn, kinda weird since you unlock the inn around level 10. The Journal itself don't have every cut scene but it has a great amount towards the main story, side content, raids and job etc. I think some people like to view the scenes in the moment. Myself I don't mind waiting for others, I usually use the inn after raids my first time to view what I miss, except for dungeons now that we have trust I use them for my first experience.

[Reinha]

Okay, if that is true then I am not seeing why this would be a recurring issue that spawns a ton of pages. I mean it's nice to be able to watch the cut scene as it happens, but if the group isn't willing to wait for new people (they should say "hi I'm new, can I watch the cut scene" or something ) it shouldn't be a huge deal to cancel it and just watch it elsewhere.... at least that's my opinion.

Like 99% of people are fine with newbies watching their cutscene in its entirety and joining the fight after it's done. No need to skip any story. This thread is gaining pages because some people who aren't even newbies themselves act like missing 30 sec - 1 min of a tank and spank boss fight is a problem. You used to get locked out of the boss room if you didn't make it in time, so it made some sense for others to wait, but nowadays you just get ported in mid fight after the cutscene.

[TaleraRistain]

Okay, if that is true then I am not seeing why this would be a recurring issue that spawns a ton of pages. I mean it's nice to be able to watch the cut scene as it happens, but if the group isn't willing to wait for new people (they should say "hi I'm new, can I watch the cut scene" or something ) it shouldn't be a huge deal to cancel it and just watch it elsewhere.... at least that's my opinion.

If they cancel, they miss the chance to get the full experience right there in the moment. Something that we as vets did get. It doesn't cost us anything to do what we can to preserve that experience for anyone who joins after. The more new people we drive away, the less the game can grow and improve. And if it's gets bad enough, it turns into a mummified niche clinging on for 20 years like EverQuest.

[LaughingBanana]

Okay, if that is true then I am not seeing why this would be a recurring issue that spawns a ton of pages. I mean it's nice to be able to watch the cut scene as it happens, but if the group isn't willing to wait for new people (they should say "hi I'm new, can I watch the cut scene" or something ) it shouldn't be a huge deal to cancel it and just watch it elsewhere.... at least that's my opinion.

Watching a cutscene for a story *during* the event of the story occurring is *way* more immersive than watching it later. It's like when you see a movie in a theater and then before the ending you're ushered to go out and watch the ending in youtube or something, it's not going to have the same impact, not even close.

That being said, i always tried to wait even in a Raid for first time cutscene watchers. But if the rest suddenly pulled, what can I do but to join in? Especially if i am a Tank or a Healer.

Just wait till some people in this thread learn that I also insta-pull during the Toto-Rak and Stone Vigil pre-final boss scenes.

This however, I just don't understand. Giving your fellow first-time players a courtesy of only probably what, 2 or 3 minutes? of waiting while they watch cutscene is just something that is so easy and painless to do, I just don't understand the selfishness of not even wanting to do that. It's mind-boggling. Is it really that hard/difficult to do?