Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[YukikoKurosawa]

Crystal Tower raids = 10 minute max, cutscenes short and sweet

Every other alliance raid after that = frequent KOs due to instawipe mechanics, player performance varying so wildly that most people automatically drop if they get a raid that isn't CT in roulettes. If a group has wasted my time by dragging out the raid to the absurd degree as is often the case in duty finder, then they've lost the right for me to sit tight and let them watch cutscenes in that content.

It doesn't matter whether I'm a healer, tank, or dps, every role can survive a few hits from the boss until someone else inevitably decides to join in.

But do not worry, given the state of Duty Finder and lack of being able to farm for specific gear pieces in a consistent way from alliance raids have all but ensured I do not interact with that roulette in favor of running EW dungeons with trusts. You'd have to give MSQ-roulette amounts of rewards in order to get me to suffer through a typical df run of Puppet's Bunker or goodness forbid Tower of Paradigm's Breach.

No amount of appealing to my morality is going to solve the fact that those runs take far too long, and I have the right to do whatever it takes to get out of them faster.

I'd be more concerned about people who deliberately grief the raid like the frogs in Amon where people will burn all the ice so we wipe, or jokers like the one dude in my last Tower at Paradigms Breach party who joined in fully broken gear, cast one spell every 5 minutes, and deliberately got himself killed repeatedly and then refused to take rezzes until we just ended up vote-kicking him, then people who have the gall to watch cutscenes. It's an overall issue of anti-social behavior exclusive to Alliance Raids.

The longest cutscene you'll be waiting for is 1-2 minutes, is 1-2 minutes of your time really that critical?

[Hikuro_Kenshi]

The simple fact of the matter is that not doing anything about it will piss a lot of people off, but actually doing something about it will ALSO piss a lot of people off.

Probably the reason why the devs never acknowledge this issue.

[Kolaina]

I pull during cutscenes. Especially if it’s the moment someone says cutscenes.

It’s never a “please” wait for cutscenes. It’s never the person watching cutscenes. It’s usually a single word or a demand.

I’m not obligated to wait, as people aren’t obligated to use their manners. If the community had a problem with what I do, they wouldn’t start attacking as soon as I pulled

Also lately, a lot of the cutscene watchers don’t even seem to be new

[UkcsAlias]

I pull during cutscenes. Especially if it’s the moment someone says cutscenes.

I have seen that behaviour before when our tank was watching, it ended up with the team getting killed. If you are the tank, then in most cases its well doable, so i would say its no issue. As tank (and especialy if you know the dungeon) you are often well aware of your capabilities. If you can 3man a dugeon, then go ahead and do so. In the end, if you realy care about the fight and missed it because the team was able to beat it without you, you can just do the dungeon twice.

But i have seen toxic cases often enough in which people were complaining about cutscene watchers (of which a few definitely were new). Im glad that they failed hard and ragequited at some point. FF is still a story driven game, so story gets priority in handling issues to me. First time cutscene watchers on that do get priority to me. Too bad the final bosses in dungeons often do not have the same system as raids (but only for first time watchers). It would have solved this discussion (if people are new, you cant start the fight early).

And before thinking: why do i need to wait? You get extra rewards when new people are in the party, that should be enough for that.

[Kolaina]

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Good thing i never queue alone. Usually tank/healer combo so there’s no chance of failing hard. Especially as it will force people into the arena eventually, so long as those people not participating aren’t in a cutscene.

Also, that reward for new people, is minuscule enough to not matter one way of the other. Especially when if its not a max level duty, the reward is minuscule. A little exp which doesn’t make enough difference, or poetics which I don’t need. Note the “for swift completion” in the dialogue when notified of a new player as well.

[UkcsAlias]

Good thing i never queue alone. Usually tank/healer combo so there’s no chance of failing hard. Especially as it will force people into the arena eventually, so long as those people not participating aren’t in a cutscene.

In that case i would definitely say that most fights are going to be easy to handle, there is no need to wait. At least if they say cutscene you know you wont have to wait for them as it will take them extra long anyway. Its better than guessing whether they are afk or not.

Also, that reward for new people, is minuscule enough to not matter one way of the other. Especially when if its not a max level duty, the reward is minuscule. A little exp which doesn’t make enough difference, or poetics which I don’t need. Note the “for swift completion” in the dialogue when notified of a new player as well.

But if im right, most duty roulettes do not involve the max level, and for the levels it has, those poetics do matter. Which if you choose it then, is something you deliberately did. That the rewards are then obsolete is something you accepted the moment you started that duty. (although, for a part you could consider the easy xp as reward vs a difficult dungeon with an equal bonus)

In the end, the real issue is that some cutscenes are excessively long for such boss fight. I can totaly understand that the 10th time you play the dungeon you cant bother waiting for it. If it was enforced, then obviously it will feel out of your control, but it might be easier to accept. But in the end, as most dungeons are easy enough, i dont think its an issue if you proceed anyway. It doesnt matter if the boss took 1 minute or 4 minutes to the player that was watching the cutscene, they will know what happened anyway if the boss happens to be already dead at the end of the cutscene. The story isnt disrupted here at least. They only miss the fight (which especialy for people who only care about the story isnt even an issue).

[Kolaina]

I can totaly understand that the 10th time you play the dungeon you cant bother waiting for it.

I think this is the point most people who don’t wait have. Though its not necessarily always a numbered value. It could be about how old the content itself is. I understand there will always be new people wanting their first time experience in a place, but maybe mine was 6 years ago. Queueing for say Syrcus as an example, every day, sometimes multiple times a day, looking for a specific piece of loot as my weekly piece.

A lot of this content has been farmed to oblivion. While it may be a persons first run, it could very well be another’s 1000th run. In those 1000 runs, how many “first timers” have they encountered?
How long have they spent waiting? Back when alliances were sort of new, it went beyond waiting for the cutscene. There was often a few minutes of explaining the mechanics in depth to avoid wiping. Waiting, waiting and waiting. I personally, am just done waiting in some of the years old content

[FoxyAreku]

So what?

If you get locked out you can just teleport into the arena now, it's not like the old days anymore where if you get locked out you just miss the fight.