What actually happened to white mage?

[Jeeqbit]

I think Thin Air was nerfed because WHM's MP management was better than it was on other healers in Shadowbringers.

Holy's cast time can be reduced by using Presence of Mind.

If you die you have Assize, Lucid Dreaming, Thin Air and a lot of heals that require no MP.

[Kolsykol]

The fact that using Lily's are a dps loss ( except if you have to move and heal, which is a niche thing ) really speaks volume.
The heals aren't even THAT strong and other healers have equally or stronger ogcd heals.

[Azuri]

lot of heals that require no MP.

This is a joke, right? Please tell me this is sarcasm.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I think Thin Air was nerfed because WHM's MP management was better than it was on other healers in Shadowbringers.

Holy's cast time can be reduced by using Presence of Mind.

If you die you have Assize, Lucid Dreaming, Thin Air and a lot of heals that require no MP.

Thin Air's nerf has hit their MP so hard that it is only useful for emergency Cure 2's on yourself or ressing other people who died as well. On two measly charges, at that - and less, depending on the level sync.

Assize is not enough to help them if they res into the party going to crap.

Lucid is a slow refresh, they will still be unable to do much of anything for a few GCDs after ressing.

The only free heal you have access to after death (if it wasn't on CD when you died) is Tetragrammaton and possibly Benediction, but most WHMs who res will use Bene on themselves so they don't immediately die again. Lilies take time to generate. Until then, if you are out of Tetra and Bene, you can only spam an MP-using GCD heal, or sit there until your MP is stable again.

WHM having better MP management than other healers while suffering DPS loss for healing, while other healers have a plethora of oGCD heals, seemed a fair tradeoff. The lily system could still use improvements, but things at least felt fairer back in ShB. Now? They have a bad GCD heal system, bad MP regeneration, major punishment for death— WHMs who play at a low skill level may think everything is fine with the job, but it has so many problems (many of which it has had for years now) and is far weaker overall when propped up against the other healers.

[technole]

I think Thin Air was nerfed because WHM's MP management was better than it was on other healers in Shadowbringers.

Holy's cast time can be reduced by using Presence of Mind.

If you die you have Assize, Lucid Dreaming, Thin Air and a lot of heals that require no MP.

I remember when White Mage laughed at other healers cause they had Thin Air. "HAHA you have to manage MP" They had it coming.

Some casuals get wrecked because they just sat on Thin Air for the longest time, not using it for GCD heals. Like you shouldn't be holding Thin Air charges only for raises. If you have a Medica II cast coming, use it for that. Stop holding.

To be fair, Assize is kind of an outdated 3.0 skill. It used to be so awesome when we first got it, it was our first oGCD heal. It's used in openers for the damage and MP economy more so than the heal. You can't really hold it that long and not lose damage, so it's in this weird situation. Personally they should add a charge to it to allow this aspect and that would solve a lot of things.

[Skiros]

just go play astro

also astro was already the better progression healer, the better pure healer and by mid-ShB has the better MP economy

the disparity is just even larger now because people who don't know what they're talking about keep saying WHM had the better MP economy even late in ShB. An AST that prioritizes card draws is not going to run out of MP.

[Skiros]

Why you gotta throw personal insults? What’s the point of attacking my knowledge of the game? You don’t know me. I play every healer except Astro in high end content. Lily heals are very powerful, they’re the strongest GCD heals in the game when considering the DPS loss of casting any other GCD heal. Yeah misery DPS could be better but it’s still something.

Just because I don’t go with the current meme groupthink doesn’t mean my experience with the game is lacking These forums are more toxic than the WoW general forums

The strongest GCD heal in this game is on SGE. Look at Pepsis. It can technically reach 770 AoE potency > Confession Cure III (750). Reliably it'll reach 450 AoE, which is 50 weaker than Confession Rapture. SCH's Emergency succor is 20 higher than Confession Rapture. Cure III doesn't really matter for any serious heal check this tier. The last time I remember Cure III actually being great was in Stormblood during Garuda Frictions. So even if WHM has the strongest reliable GCD AoE heal it is so limiting that it does not actually matter for the difficult heal checks (and if you bring up Life's Agonies you're just admitting defeat because AST doesn't even need a GCD heal). Reliably Pepsis Diagnosis still the strongest GCD heal on single target, being at 750.

Edit: Oh, I didn't even remember Zoe/Recitation. That just further reduced WHM's GCD healing "advantage".

[technole]

just go play astro

also astro was already the better progression healer, the better pure healer and by mid-ShB has the better MP economy

the disparity is just even larger now because people who don't know what they're talking about keep saying WHM had the better MP economy even late in ShB. An AST that prioritizes card draws is not going to run out of MP.

Remember when people were always saying "White Mage is safer" for progression? I always asked why? I'd hear Cure 3 all the time, that's so niche and costs a lot of MP. Earthly Star can do the job, better and it's arena-wide

More damage is the best mitigation in the game, hence Astro and of course having basically an AoE Benediction for P3S this tier just blows WHM away in every regard.

[BaconBits]

Every time I hear "b-b-but strong GCD heals :c" I genuinely want to puke. In a world dominated by healers that bring along plenty of utility and off global heals that are more than enough to cover any situation without being forced to give up any damage, what place does a "strong GCD healer" have? What does a White Mage bring to the table that every other healer doesn't do better? It's standard heals are matched point for point potency-wise by Astrologian, but are inexplicably more expensive for whatever reason. All of It's off globals are distinctly inferior to Astro's while also having less globals overall in comparison to not only Astro but all other healers. It's MP recovery is absolutely miserable compared to everyone else, especially Astro which craps out MP simply by breathing. Glancing at Lilies is a DPS loss and Afflatus Misery doesn't even have the decency to be DPS neutral like Sage's Pneuma or Astro's Macrocosmos, both of which also function as aoe heals. It's gauge charges incredibly slowly, taking 90 seconds to reach max capacity, doesn't start full unlike Sage's Addersgall, and to add insult to injury, is completely lost on death and stops charging. Even it's grasp on the title of "Strongest GCD Healer" is questionable at best as pointed out several times throughout this thread.

As far as I'm concerned White Mage is desperately in need of a complete and total rework, because as it is now every other Healer is a Swiss Army knife while WHM is nothing more than a particularly unwieldy hammer. Unfortunately, that will never happen because of it's popularity and supposed ease of use, along with this outdated notion that it has be the simplest (read: brain dead) because it's the first available healer. But hey, maybe the job designers will reverse their philosophy by 7.0, or 8.0, or maybe even 9.0...

Sike lol, Healers as a whole is a garbage role, and WHM will continue to suffer.

[Jeeqbit]

This is a joke, right? Please tell me this is sarcasm.

It's not.

Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Asylum, Afflatus Solace, Afflatus Rapture, Liturgy of the Bell and Plenary Indulgence don't need any MP to use.

If for some reason you use Cure, then there is 15% chance the next Cure II will cost no MP.