We really should be able to glamour other jobs' sets

[GrizzlyTank]

Gowns vs Boleros are not the same.

Edengate.


Ranged wearing plate...
Nin wearing a robe without the robe
and melee is using a lampshade.

How very immersive.

[LisSquid]

Gowns vs Boleros are not the same.

As someone else said, I was referring to Edengate. You also just posted a picture where Aiming and Tanking share a gear set.

[Siddiax]

Yep, YoshiP denied the suggestion several times since ARR. He doesn't like the idea of a black mage wearing tank armor. Or a Monk wearing Dragoon maiming gear, that'd look too weird. People should let it go.

There is a reason melee don't share a set between all of them compared to tanks and healers, aside from loot reasons.

That might have been a thing... once. Outside of artifact gear, armor sets have absolutely no job identity - especially now that most roles have jobs with conflicting styles (example being DRK and PLD / RPR and DRG). Just take a look at SHB and EW dungeon sets like the ones from Grand Cosmos or Tower of Babil or more recently Pandemonium. At this point it's more often that not that they're not just aesthetically similar, but also virtually identical design wise.
Let's not also forget that almost every other NPC wears mixed gear, my favorite example being a character from the SAM quest line who wears a mixture of striking, healing and maiming gear despite being a samurai.

Let us have some extra variety. There's nothing to lose from that.

[Gemina]

But someone tanking in a bikini or a stupid animal costume doesn't look "too weird"? I think it's about time we put that argument to rest...

I agree. The argument you're using should be put to rest because it carries no weight.

The immersion argument from Yoshi was made several years ago now. I believe it was during HW that he made it. The game and Yoshi have evolved since then. If this dev team had greater foresight, they would have acknowledged just how important glamour is to players, and would have implemented a better system for it from the get go. Unfortunately this is not the case, and fulfilling player glamour wishes is now more cumbersome as a result. It is what it is.

In regards to restrictions. The devs owe no explanation as to why they are in place, and why they continue to restrict gear. Releasing playful sets of gear like a frog or pig suit, bikinis, etc. along with removing restrictions on current gear is meant to increase the options for the player, not to give players ammunition to use against the dev team to release all restrictions.

If you play a female character, you will likely notice that some gear will totally overwrite your CC selections. I am not sure if this happens to male avatars as they lack the anatomy in question this happens with. That is just one of many obstacles the dev team faces when creating new sets of gear, and so overwriting your CC selection to make it work for everyone is the faster, less costly, and more efficient means to the end. Now imagine taking an existing set of gear meant for males or females, and making them work for the opposite.

This also applies to sets of gear specified for a certain role. Within that role they have a certain amount of animations to contend with to make sure the gear works for all the jobs within that role. Now with that in mind, take a set meant for say 'healing', and now they have to make that set work for all the other roles in the game and their animations. This applies to new sets to be released as well. It's all time, time, and more time. Time the dev team doesn't have, because they have deadlines. Unless you guys love to see Yoshi cry when he can't deliver.

[GrizzlyTank]

I agree. The argument you're using should be put to rest because it carries no weight.

The immersion argument from Yoshi was made several years ago now. I believe it was during HW that he made it. The game and Yoshi have evolved since then. If this dev team had greater foresight, they would have acknowledged just how important glamour is to players, and would have implemented a better system for it from the get go. Unfortunately this is not the case, and fulfilling player glamour wishes is now more cumbersome as a result. It is what it is.

In regards to restrictions. The devs owe no explanation as to why they are in place, and why they continue to restrict gear. Releasing playful sets of gear like a frog or pig suit, bikinis, etc. along with removing restrictions on current gear is meant to increase the options for the player, not to give players ammunition to use against the dev team to release all restrictions.

If you play a female character, you will likely notice that some gear will totally overwrite your CC selections. I am not sure if this happens to male avatars as they lack the anatomy in question this happens with. That is just one of many obstacles the dev team faces when creating new sets of gear, and so overwriting your CC selection to make it work for everyone is the faster, less costly, and more efficient means to the end. Now imagine taking an existing set of gear meant for males or females, and making them work for the opposite.

This also applies to sets of gear specified for a certain role. Within that role they have a certain amount of animations to contend with to make sure the gear works for all the jobs within that role. Now with that in mind, take a set meant for say 'healing', and now they have to make that set work for all the other roles in the game and their animations. This applies to new sets to be released as well. It's all time, time, and more time. Time the dev team doesn't have, because they have deadlines. Unless you guys love to see Yoshi cry when he can't deliver.

Are you trying to guilt trip us for not being fond of arbitrary and hypocritical glamour restrictions?

We can already wear the gear and are free to mix and mash any piece of equipment we want in the "try on" window (as long as seams don't clash). All the work has already been done.

[Siddiax]

I agree. The argument you're using should be put to rest because it carries no weight.

The immersion argument from Yoshi was made several years ago now. I believe it was during HW that he made it. The game and Yoshi have evolved since then. If this dev team had greater foresight, they would have acknowledged just how important glamour is to players, and would have implemented a better system for it from the get go. Unfortunately this is not the case, and fulfilling player glamour wishes is now more cumbersome as a result. It is what it is.

In regards to restrictions. The devs owe no explanation as to why they are in place, and why they continue to restrict gear. Releasing playful sets of gear like a frog or pig suit, bikinis, etc. along with removing restrictions on current gear is meant to increase the options for the player, not to give players ammunition to use against the dev team to release all restrictions.

If you play a female character, you will likely notice that some gear will totally overwrite your CC selections. I am not sure if this happens to male avatars as they lack the anatomy in question this happens with. That is just one of many obstacles the dev team faces when creating new sets of gear, and so overwriting your CC selection to make it work for everyone is the faster, less costly, and more efficient means to the end. Now imagine taking an existing set of gear meant for males or females, and making them work for the opposite.

This also applies to sets of gear specified for a certain role. Within that role they have a certain amount of animations to contend with to make sure the gear works for all the jobs within that role. Now with that in mind, take a set meant for say 'healing', and now they have to make that set work for all the other roles in the game and their animations. This applies to new sets to be released as well. It's all time, time, and more time. Time the dev team doesn't have, because they have deadlines. Unless you guys love to see Yoshi cry when he can't deliver.

I agree with your first statement, however, why are you implying that gear is somehow linked to a job's animations ? Gear most definitely does not affect your character's rig. That would imply that Square goes back and adjusts every single piece of armor whenever a new job comes out, which is most definintely not the case.

[Phaty]

Especially with the amounts of cross-class gear being released, and people being able to look like a neon frog or a clown, I don't see how a Dragoon wearing a Fending set would break anyone's immersion.


tl;dr - Remove role restrictions but just for glamour.

Right? I find the immersion argument hard when my male rog dark Knight tank is tanking in fishnet stockings, pumps and a flower in their hair

[Ramesses]

As of lately, Square have definitely changed the "tanks wear plate and healers wear dresses" way of thinking when designing gear. With more jobs being released and armor sets being varied in designs, the line that separates armor types has been blurred. There's no longer much reasons for jobs to not be able to glam (not equip, just GLAMOUR) a basically identical set to theirs just because they're not the other job.


Now, of course, that doesn't mean there shouldn't be exceptions. Artifact gear or any weapon whatsoever should absolutely be off-limits. After all, we have sets like the ones from the first two Nier raids, which are almost identical - difference between the Fending, Maiming and Striking sets being how much you rolled your sleeves... or The Law's Order set of Scouting that is literally a plate armor and yet it's a Ninja set. The Asphodelos armor sets are similar - this time, the Fending set doesn't have a single piece of metal on it.


Especially with the amounts of cross-class gear being released, and people being able to look like a neon frog or a clown, I don't see how a Dragoon wearing a Fending set would break anyone's immersion.


tl;dr - Remove role restrictions but just for glamour.

I have to disagree-- and to quote Yoshi-P's stance on this during a past interview-- (sec, lemme find it)--

"First, to answer about removing the job restrictions, unfortunately, we don’t intend to remove them. The reason is simple. For players who have played other Final Fantasy titles, they’ll easily recognize these gear designs as a way to identify a particular job. You wouldn’t want to see someone carrying an axe casting black magic. You’d wonder: What the hell kind of game is this?" - Yoshi P

And I absolutely agree-- if you want to look like a certain job class, then play the job class.

For instance-- For EW, I went back to playing tank on my main charcater and leveled all four tank classes to 90 not only because I enjoy playing the job -- (Gunbreaker damage is truly exhilarating) --but also because I seriously enjoy looking the part.













If you're too lazy to play the job so you get the glam you desire, then go browse the Mog Station and look for some glam alternatives.

Period.

[GrizzlyTank]

I have to disagree-- and to quote Yoshi-P's stance on this during a past interview-- (sec, lemme find it)--

"First, to answer about removing the job restrictions, unfortunately, we don’t intend to remove them. The reason is simple. For players who have played other Final Fantasy titles, they’ll easily recognize these gear designs as a way to identify a particular job. You wouldn’t want to see someone carrying an axe casting black magic. You’d wonder: What the hell kind of game is this?" - Yoshi P

And I absolutely agree-- if you want to look like a certain job class, then play the job class.

For instance-- For EW, I went back to playing tank on my main charcater and leveled all four tank classes to 90 not only because I enjoy playing the job -- (Gunbreaker damage is truly exhilarating) --but also because I seriously enjoy looking the part.

So therefore dancer and bard is expected to run around in military looking gear because is designed for their job...
Or tanks and trench coats.
And melee flopping between plate and cloth.
And ninjas being drowned in robes.

Seriously, just take a look at the list i added on the front page (and it's not even half the complete list), the aesthetical restrictions are all over the place.

Again, we are not talking about removing glamour restrictions for weapons.

[Conundrum]

I think everything should be "all classes" except AF gear.