FFXIV Has the Population to Support an ELO system for Duty Finder / Party Finder

[Azuri]

I don't think you're playing the right game for you at this point. I don't mean that negatively. You just don't seem to really understand that the game is designed a certain way and the devs are on record in saying that they have no plans to change that. So you can either accept that or move on.

Ah, GCBTW. "If you don't want to play the officially sanctioned way just piss off."

In case you haven't noticed, my first post did indeed acknowledge that this is a deliberate desing decision and OP's idea really doesn't fit in this vision.

[Vahlnir]

Ah, GCBTW. "If you don't want to play the officially sanctioned way just piss off."

In case you haven't noticed, my first post did indeed acknowledge that this is a deliberate desing decision and OP's idea really doesn't fit in this vision.

It was more of a suggestion than a demand, but sure. We'll go with that if it makes you feel better.

[Mirhd]

At some point people are just going to have to accept that FFXIV is not a "hardcore" MMO by nature and never will be. There is harder content for the (extremely small, whether certain voices like admitting to this or not) minority that want it, and that's enough. Trying to appeal to the smallest demographic (which is what ELO would do) is a surefire way of losing money, not to mention just a crappy thing to do in general. The attitudes displayed by some in this thread is an excellent example of "GCBTW", but not in the way those who constantly spew it think.

Ah, GCBTW. "If you don't want to play the officially sanctioned way just piss off."

In case you haven't noticed, my first post did indeed acknowledge that this is a deliberate desing decision and OP's idea really doesn't fit in this vision.

Oh, please. Telling someone (in as bland a way as possible) that they should seek out something they'll actually enjoy rather than, you know, saying the game they came to should completely change to suit them is ludicrous. You're not talking QoL or other (valid) criticisms here; you want a complete shift in design philosophy, regardless of your acknowledgement (toddlers? really?). You've been nothing but abrasive and dismissive regarding the valid arguments given as to why ELO here would be a terrible idea and are (hate to say it) a perfect example of the "toxic elitist."

I've done the "hard core" thing in other, older MMOs prior to making this my main MMO at the tail end of HW, have never stepped foot in Exs or Sav when current, yet still push my buttons as needed while minimizing gaining vul stacks. Do I screw up at times? Absolutely, and anyone claiming they never do is full of it. The older I get the less I care about executing a burst window flawlessly and more about spending my time doing something I find enjoyable rather than treating it as a job. If this makes me one of the "toddlers" in your rant because a run took 3 minutes longer, so be it.

While I can get annoyed sometimes during a run depending on this or that, I ultimately don't mind if things don't go perfectly as long as people are legit trying. I've had some dumpster fire runs in roulette that have stuck in my memory because of how entertaining they were, and I imagine many have experienced the same. I wouldn't trade that for anything.

[Azuri]

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Ah, of course. The "but I play for fun, it's not a job" argument. Newsflash - I also play for fun. My "fun" is not your "fun" though. And that's ok, we can find different things fun. I don't deny you your fun. But for some reason it's ok to dismiss mine completely.

Also, I have never demanded anything to be changed. You seem to be intent on ignoring the fact that I'm fine accepting the game for what it is. I even stated that such system goes against XIV design philosophy. Regardless if I agree with this philosophy or not (and I do not, as you have probably guessed). In the end, we are here to share pointless opinions that will likely never change anything anyway.

And in regards to savage participation, we have actual statistics showing 20-30% of the playerbase engages with savage on some level. If this is "extremely small minority" that doesn't deserve any consideration we would very quickly run out of things that are worth considering and have the game consisting of... 30-hour long MSQ movie once every couple of years? You know, some will probably like it.

[Mirhd]

Ah, of course. The "but I play for fun, it's not a job" argument. Newsflash - I also play for fun. My "fun" is not your "fun" though. And that's ok, we can find different things fun. I don't deny you your fun. But for some reason it's ok to dismiss mine completely.

Also, I have never demanded anything to be changed. You seem to be intent on ignoring the fact that I'm fine accepting the game for what it is. I even stated that such system goes against XIV design philosophy. Regardless if I agree with this philosophy or not (and I do not, as you have probably guessed). In the end, we are here to share pointless opinions that will likely never change anything anyway.

And in regards to savage participation, we have actual statistics showing 20-30% of the playerbase engages with savage on some level. If this is "extremely small minority" that doesn't deserve any consideration we would very quickly run out of things that are worth considering and have the game consisting of... 30-hour long MSQ movie once every couple of years? You know, some will probably like it.

If your idea of "fun" is treating something like a job (as mentioned... I've been there, and I've long since been done with it) and trashing others, then sure, I'm dismissing it. Again, pay attention to how you come across. Nothing you've said so far supports your claim that you're "fine" with things as they are, so others telling you to find a game you actually enjoy fully isn't "dismissing" anything, it's saying your time would be better spent elsewhere than insisting things should be altered to your liking. I don't go over to the Dota community to make "suggestions" that would fundamentally change the game at its core to the point it no longer resembles what it was. SE has found something that brings the money in and the vast majority have fun with, and outside of actual improvements (housing system, glamour, certain class changes, QoL, etc.) there's zero reason for them to risk something so drastic for an extreme minority.

Regarding those supposed Ex/Sav numbers... Yeah, no, fairly certain those have been stated time and again to not be accurate (coming from non-official websites people tout), and if they were, don't you think SE would make more difficult content than they do? They have the actual numbers after all, yet continuously favor more casual content... Wonder why.

[Azuri]

If your idea of "fun" is treating something like a job (as mentioned... I've been there, and I've long since been done with it) and trashing others, then sure, I'm dismissing it. Again, pay attention to how you come across. Nothing you've said so far supports your claim that you're "fine" with things as they are, so others telling you to find a game you actually enjoy fully isn't "dismissing" anything, it's saying your time would be better spent elsewhere than insisting things should be altered to your liking. I don't go over to the Dota community to make "suggestions" that would fundamentally change the game at its core to the point it no longer resembles what it was. SE has found something that brings the money in and the vast majority have fun with, and outside of actual improvements (housing system, glamour, certain class changes, QoL, etc.) there's zero reason for them to risk something so drastic for an extreme minority.

Regarding those supposed Ex/Sav numbers... Yeah, no, fairly certain those have been stated time and again to not be accurate (coming from non-official websites people tout), and if they were, don't you think SE would make more difficult content than they do? They have the actual numbers after all, yet continuously favor more casual content... Wonder why.

Ah, so this truly is a simple "my fun and content is more important than yours". An opinion I mostly share but that leads us to a conversational dead end. Shame.

[Asmodai]

Ah, so this truly is a simple "my fun and content is more important than yours". An opinion I mostly share but that leads us to a conversational dead end. Shame.

Its funny how these people screamed and cried when the game came out to keep an API from being released so damage meters wouldnt be added even though YoshiP said that it would shortly after the game was launched. Now, they want to deny others the right of advocating changes that they would enjoy in the game.

[Mirhd]

Ah, so this truly is a simple "my fun and content is more important than yours". An opinion I mostly share but that leads us to a conversational dead end. Shame.

Not even remotely what was said, but sure, if it makes you feel better.

Its funny how these people screamed and cried when the game came out to keep an API from being released so damage meters wouldnt be added even though YoshiP said that it would shortly after the game was launched. Now, they want to deny others the right of advocating changes that they would enjoy in the game.

Honey, I've never posted in the damage meters thread, and don't do Ex/Sav, as I stated previously. Been there, done that in other MMOs, got the shirt. Further, as I and others have already pointed out, you are expecting the devs to fundamentally change the game to suit an extreme minority, something they have said over and over that they will never do. You aren't being "denied the right to advocate changes" by anyone; you're (and others as well) putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring reality.