Dark Knights are an absolute joke and I'm tired of pretending they're not

[Ayche]

Lots of people coming out of the wood to say "it's fine actually, it's just you"

I don't know, sometimes it feels like in these Dark Knight threads people are just holding onto a fierce grudge.
Like I get it on a certain level, but eventually so many years will go past that surely they have to start letting go.

[Kalaam]

You let go when you don't care anymore.
It's not as much grudge as it is becoming louder in the hope of getting heard. A lot pointed out how ignored the DRK base feels.

[OdinelStarrei]

I don't know, sometimes it feels like in these Dark Knight threads people are just holding onto a fierce grudge.
Like I get it on a certain level, but eventually so many years will go past that surely they have to start letting go.

How can I not hold a massive grudge after what I've been putting up with?

Not only do I have to continue to deal with long-term issues like Living Dead and obscene ability removals, I also get to deal with all of my recent grievances from Shadowbringers being actively ignored by the developers AND totally marginalized by an overwhelming amount of players who think DRK gets to be their personal punching bag because the skill floor is higher than the basement, based entirely on content that is objectively worthless from a balancing perspective. After an entire expansion with DRK plastered on the front of it, when everyone said it was "Fine, because TBN is OP and your complaints are unjustified, I bet you liked spamming Dark Arts, OMEGALUL." Now, I'm the one on copium for trying to point out facts in EW, despite many of us being the biggest DRK detractors since before Shadowbringers even released. Despite several other jobs getting the fixes that if 1:1 transplanted over to DRK, would make the experience playing it more enjoyable or at least tolerable. And we got silence from the developers, and pity or ridicule from everyone else.

"Just swap jobs lmao you can play anything in XIV"

I play everything in the game to some extent. I wish I didn't identify with DRK thematically, I wish DRK wasn't the gameplay style that I typically enjoy the most in RPGs (high burst, low sustain, spellsword), I wish DRK didn't use a greatsword, I wish the job quests and artifact/relic gear wasn't good, because then I wouldn't play the job. But those things are all true, so I keep returning to the job after several serious attempts to let go of it since SB. It sucks, okay? It sucks. I'm not happy about it either.

[Padudu]

I don't know, sometimes it feels like in these Dark Knight threads people are just holding onto a fierce grudge.
Like I get it on a certain level, but eventually so many years will go past that surely they have to start letting go.

Honestly these people should just play a different job. Just say you don't enjoy DRK and go next. The job needs improvement for sure, I don't think anyone can disagree with that. But on a whole many people act as if they're unplayable when most of the problem is that the player can't play DRK

[Danelo]

Honestly these people should just play a different job. Just say you don't enjoy DRK and go next. The job needs improvement for sure, I don't think anyone can disagree with that. But on a whole many people act as if they're unplayable when most of the problem is that the player can't play DRK

The player can’t play DRK? We’ve been playing DRK since it was released. We’ve watch it gutted since released. And now it has lost its style, devs don’t listen except for, maybe, removal of dark arts.

It’s not enjoyable to me (and a great deal of other players) and generally, where it matters since DRK is still a tank (mitigation/self sustain), it’s lacking.

You really shouldn’t generalize and speak about things you don’t know: like assuming folks who don’t enjoy a class must not know how to play it.

[Padudu]

The player can’t play DRK? We’ve been playing DRK since it was released. We’ve watch it gutted since released. And now it has lost its style, devs don’t listen except for, maybe, removal of dark arts.

It’s not enjoyable to me (and a great deal of other players) and generally, where it matters since DRK is still a tank (mitigation/self sustain), it’s lacking.

You really shouldn’t generalize and speak about things you don’t know: like assuming folks who don’t enjoy a class must not know how to play it.

Dude if you're struggling to pull mobs and go through level 81+ dungeons the problem is you. Sorry to say fam

[Ayche]

How can I not hold a massive grudge after what I've been putting up with?

Because in the long run holding a grudge just makes you miserable. Increased stress levels, fixation on negative outlooks, etc.
Like life is full of disappointments, be it just having a FFXIV job you like being changed to something you don't like, getting your bicycle stolen, get injured by an accident, yeah sometimes things suck.
But it is better to move on from it than getting stuck on this loop that "if I am angry about it long enough, eventually things will change." That is not it shakes up majority of the time.
The big DRK thread had all these posts that "Next patch! Next patch will surely finally have major DRK changes!", people whipping themselves into a frenzy with NOTHING really to back up that energy. And when nothing happens, that just fuels more negativity.

[shao32]

Because in the long run holding a grudge just makes you miserable. Increased stress levels, fixation on negative outlooks, etc.
Like life is full of disappointments, be it just having a FFXIV job you like being changed to something you don't like, getting your bicycle stolen, get injured by an accident, yeah sometimes things suck.
But it is better to move on from it than getting stuck on this loop that "if I am angry about it long enough, eventually things will change." That is not it shakes up majority of the time.
The big DRK thread had all these posts that "Next patch! Next patch will surely finally have major DRK changes!", people whipping themselves into a frenzy with NOTHING really to back up that energy. And when nothing happens, that just fuels more negativity.

Many ppl including me get so atached to original DRK it's really hard to let it go specially when we can fight to bring it back/for make it better and success like many others did with they respective jobs.
Im holding with Reaper better that i hold with GNB in SHB but i still want DRK to come back, i want the devs listen us and make changes in concordance of what we are asking for, we basically ask for the same level of care and love the rest of the other jobs gets. It's not as simple as move on, some have invested so much on the game and ppl wanna get what they lost as long is possible to get it back unless is an irreversible situation.

[Halfgeeek]

And yet, it's still the most popular tank?

[Zairava]

Dude if you're struggling to pull mobs and go through level 81+ dungeons the problem is you. Sorry to say fam

This isn't counting other factors. We can manage our cooldowns properly and still run out if the dps is that slow and the healer can't keep up. I've come down to just hoping TBN comes off cooldown because I was waiting on my other cooldowns. Overall our current kit can get us by in dungeons. However not only have I come back the job and it's not remotely as bad as I remember it or made it out to be, but can safely say it still needs some more or better sustain to be on par with the other tanks in dungeons. At the very least I would like living dead to not be utter garbage because I feel like that's another big reason it falls short.

Because in the long run holding a grudge just makes you miserable. Increased stress levels, fixation on negative outlooks, etc.
Like life is full of disappointments, be it just having a FFXIV job you like being changed to something you don't like, getting your bicycle stolen, get injured by an accident, yeah sometimes things suck.
But it is better to move on from it than getting stuck on this loop that "if I am angry about it long enough, eventually things will change." That is not it shakes up majority of the time.
The big DRK thread had all these posts that "Next patch! Next patch will surely finally have major DRK changes!", people whipping themselves into a frenzy with NOTHING really to back up that energy. And when nothing happens, that just fuels more negativity.

Look man there are plenty like me who have tried to play other jobs and stray from Dark Knight. It's miserable to keep playing a job we love that keeps getting ignored, so yes we're upset with it. I stopped using my energy to get too mad about it a while ago but you can't do this to a job for several years and expect not to receive consistent backlash because of it. We can still hope for changes, but I agree in people making it a lot more stressful for themselves than it should be. At this point I'd accept just sustain improvements and some small changes then have a big rework on the job mechanically later but I just don't have my hopes up anymore.