1 ultimate instead of 2 ?

[ForteNightshade]

Ultimate participation is much higher than 1%. More like 10-15% and Savage participation has been skyrocketing. If they removed all content with a 10% or less participation rate, the game would fall to pieces. You'd probably lose multiple things you enjoy too. Grow up.

What's funny about statements like this is Ultimate has a far higher participation and clear rate than Delubrum Savage, Diadem, PvP and a slew of other content that devs put significantly more resources into as Ultimate is almost entirely reused assets. Meanwhile, PvP is on its what, fourth revival attempt? What's also ironic is that without Ultimate, Savage's only value hinges on a third party website the devs don't even like. There's literally zero reason to even look at it otherwise. Clear it once or twice, then who cares? There's no content in the game where that gear has any value.

[elioaiko]

Lol at people saying Ultimates shouldn't exist. The devs want to make it because there is a desire for hard content and it let's the them flec their creativity. The reason there's going to be one like ShB was because of the pandemic constraining their dev time, being unable to add another one.

Idk where I heard of this but I think the person who made UCoB and UWU left or stepped off so that's why TEA was different.

And ultimate is literally reused assets with some different icons slapped on the mechanics. The hard part is actually designing a challenging fight.

And making Ultimate even longer is exhausting and longer does not equal more difficult. Wiping and having to start over a long fight is already painful enough. I'd rather a 3-4 act fight. If they do make it longer however, I wouldn't be opposed to it.

[einschwartz]

...make 1 ultimate which last 30mn...

While I'm not interested in ultimates, but if it takes that long will GENUINELY be concerned of the sanity and well being of those who does them.

[CaedemSanguis]

Except making it longer achieves neither. Tacking on twelve more minutes to UCoB doesn't make it any more prestigious nor would it be necessarily any harder in terms of actual challenging mechanics. It's simply be mentally exhausting. Content still has to be fun and engaging even if it's difficult. There comes a point of diminishing returns where something takes so long it just isn't fun any longer. You also run into creative limitations. There is only so much the devs can come up with when designing a fight, especially one of this magnitude. Eventually, they'll just be throwing the same series of mechanics at players to pad out the length because they've simply run out of ideas.

I much prefer having UCoB and UwU, two very distinct and different fights in theme, concept and execution, then for UCoB to be a 30 minute slog I'm too exhausted to even enjoy by the time I clear it.

It will be way harder, and less clears, so it will be more prestigious to have achieve a 24mn-27mn lenght ultimate fight

[TheMightyMollusk]

So your only real interest is having some "prestige" to lord over other people? Because that's a terrible way to design a fight.

[CaedemSanguis]

So your only real interest is having some "prestige" to lord over other people? Because that's a terrible way to design a fight.

Im more about difficulty

as you can see on my profile, I dont have neither Ultimate title nor ultimates weapon skins

[Alien_Gamer]

Lets take your logic and apply it to something else:
Doing 500 fates takes more skill and is more difficult than doing 1 fate.
Doing a 6 hour dungeon takes more skill than a 15 minute dungeon.
Doing Eureka for 500 hours takes more skill than 1 hour.

None of these are true. The skill is in learning the mechanics and practicing so you have the muscle memory to do the mechanics while you DPS to beat the enrage but once you have that the only thing making it take longer does is turn it into a dull grind. You're stripping the fun out of it, not making it more skillful.

Part of good encounter design is setting a good time limit for it. 30m is far too long for that type of content.

[CaedemSanguis]

Lets take your logic and apply it to something else:
Doing 500 fates takes more skill and is more difficult than doing 1 fate.
Doing a 6 hour dungeon takes more skill than a 15 minute dungeon.
Doing Eureka for 500 hours takes more skill than 1 hour.

None of these are true. The skill is in learning the mechanics and practicing so you have the muscle memory to do the mechanics while you DPS to beat the enrage but once you have that the only thing making it take longer does is turn it into a dull grind. You're stripping the fun out of it, not making it more skillful.

Part of good encounter design is setting a good time limit for it. 30m is far too long for that type of content.

imagine comparing braindead content where its impossible to wipe and ultimate mechanics

[Nanne]

If you want a challenge that takes long I would suggest looking into soloing PotD or HoH. I think those are on average around 7 to 15 hours if I remember right. But of course those allow you to take breaks between the levels thankfully

[CaedemSanguis]

If you want a challenge that takes long I would suggest looking into soloing PotD or HoH. I think those are on average around 7 to 15 hours if I remember right. But of course those allow you to take breaks between the levels thankfully

Wiped at 180 for my first attempt