What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Kozh]

ITT: People who've never played any other Final Fantasy's or JRPG's surprised by the time travel and the final trial boss coming out of nowhere as a being that represents a worldview (nihilism in this case). This is at least 50% of the genre. I mean there's at least a thousand JRPG's where at the end of the story the heroes discover that God exists and is evil, so they end up killing God. And then there's thousands more where the heroes discover everything was being manipulated by some villain who gets introduced in a cutscene right before you kill them at the end of the game.

The Japanese have a different culture than the audience of this board, their stories don't always follow the standard western novel narrative. It's actually why I like many JRPG's because it's something different. Not everything needs to be foreshadowed or perfectly explained but I guess Reddit addicts have come to expect that via Hollywood and the MCU.

Funny it's made it to 93 pages lmao.

Wow, what a way to generalize everyone here. And culture doesn't do shit when modern Japanese literature are being influenced by Western ideology, and vice versa.


If you are FF "fan", then you must have known how "final trial boss that come out of nowhere", like Necron for example, has sparked debate among the fandom. Some feels it's a good thing while others feel the opposite. It's the same here with Meteion. And regarding time-travel, people are more troubled with how it's written, not the time-travel itself.

The difference between those JRPG games and FFXIV, is that they are single-player game that was done in 50 hours or so, not a game that spans for 10 years. Shoving new concept (dynamis) and final boss that is personification of despair halfway through EW is just jarring.

[iheartlove42]

Wow, what a way to generalize everyone here. And culture doesn't do shit when modern Japanese literature are being influenced by Western ideology, and vice versa.


If you are FF "fan", then you must have known how "final trial boss that come out of nowhere", like Necron for example, has sparked debate among the fandom. Some feels it's a good thing while others feel the opposite. It's the same here with Meteion. And regarding time-travel, people are more troubled with how it's written, not the time-travel itself.

The difference between those JRPG games and FFXIV, is that they are single-player game that was done in 50 hours or so, not a game that spans for 10 years. Shoving new concept (dynamis) and final boss that is personification of despair halfway through EW is just jarring.

Dynamis was foreshadowed by the Omega raids. Omega says there's some kind of energy it can't detect fueling you and hints it's willpower based. It's basically a lore explanation for the power of friendship. It's influenced heavily by Spiral Power from Gurren Lagann. This game (and most of the series) is first and foremost marketed towards Japanese players, Final Fantasy just happened to be the JRPG series that blew up in the west during the 90s on the SNES and Playstation. Maybe on this forum a lot of people will have played it but you'll be hard pressed to find people in the general western populace who have ever heard of or played Drakengard, Xenosaga, Yakuza, SaGa, .hack, Ogre Battle etc.

[Lauront]

Dynamis was foreshadowed by the Omega raids.

Bearing in mind Omega is a mechanical construct created by a race of beings that essentially digitised away their entire existence, soul included, you can read it any number of ways. Basically, anything with "emotions", "prayer", etc. can be argued to "foreshadow" it, because it involves those concepts/is tangentially linked to them.

It'll be interesting to see if they address any of the criticism of the story in the upcoming Live Letter(s).

Or in the interviews which we're supposedly getting. If they just double down on some elements, it will be unfortunate, to say the least.