What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Vahlnir]

The whole Loporrits thing aggravated me to the next level. It was so... embarassing. Venat really thought a moon escape would work?

I mean, it probably would have worked, at least as far as escaping the Source itself. They were ready to go at a moment's notice. And despite the complaints that some may have had about their food, "forest" and clothing they would have survived. Then they would have been blindsided probably years later since the threat wasn't on the Source itself specifically but from deep space, but details.

[Stachiko]

I mean, it probably would have, at least as far as escaping the Source itself. They were ready to go at a moment's notice. And despite the complaints that some may have had about their food, "forest" and clothing they would have survived.

Maybe not so much the idea itself but the writing around it. The whole cutesy, unknowing aspect of things. Calling you children because they didn't know humans had shrunk. It was all so cheesy and annoying.

The only satisfaction I got out of it was hearing Y'shtola say The Forum were their "special conspirators." I was half expecting none of the scions to be the wiser. Preparing myself for more disappointment.

[Edit] I should also add there was a surprising lack of urgency. Countries are being reaped by the Blasphemy and the scions are just nonchalantly hanging out with some rabbits.

[Vahlnir]

[Edit] I should also add there was a surprising lack of urgency. Countries are being reaped by the Blasphemy and the scions are just nonchalantly hanging out with some rabbits.

The whole "Final Days" aspect could have used a lot more spicing up, in my opinion. I enjoyed the story overall but that is probably one of my few nitpicks.

[EmpyreanHelios]

Ugh, I don't want to derail the thread but I so do. I doubt the larger populace would want this conversation. I haven't tried FFXIV PvP and I'm hesitant to. Right now WoW PvP is a nuke fest so I can't really talk on either or. I've heard only bad things about FF though.

FF PvP has it's problems, but I can only speak of Frontlines and it's chaotic so you don't really care what happens. Recommended for sure!

And yes, I didn't like the moon plan. The whole forum labyrinthos portion was a pretty obvious lead up though. Oh wells.

[TaleraRistain]

To be a bit clearer, I'm questioning why the 8UC happened at all. Zenos went on his quest shortly after his own death, so it's safe to assume he would've done the same thing in G'raha's timeline. Estinien and Gaius weren't doing anything we wouldn't have done, and yet, something still happened differently that resulted in the other timeline falling victim to Black Rose.

No real way to know. The catalyst to his doing that seems to be the rematch he wanted with us, since he had no love for the power of the empire, so maybe we never met there. Or maybe he didn't come back after death. Maybe Varis killed him instead of his killing Varis. Only thing we know for sure is things lined up in a way to let Black Rose be released.

[Rulakir]

You know, something that never quite sat well with me regarding our mission in ShB is that were attempting to prevent the 8UC by preventing the light wardens from finishing off the First, but back at the Source, Zenos was acting out on his own and successfully regained his body and proceeded to assassinate his own father, thus preventing him from issuing the order to deploy Black Rose. If he was going to do this anyways, what exactly was the point in going to the First at all?

It makes me wonder if Zenos didn't exist in the 8UC timeline because I had the same question. It'd also mean that timeline was doomed no matter what since the only way the WoL was able to defeat Meteion was with Zenos' assistance. Given that a lot of his plot was dropped, like why he'd been dreaming about Amaurot since childhood or what Emet 'found a way' to do with him, it makes me wonder if he was meant to be more integral to the plot.

[Kozh]

It makes me wonder if Zenos didn't exist in the 8UC timeline because I had the same question. It'd also mean that timeline was doomed no matter what since the only way the WoL was able to defeat Meteion was with Zenos' assistance. Given that a lot of his plot was dropped, like why he'd been dreaming about Amaurot since childhood or what Emet 'found a way' to do with him, it makes me wonder if he was meant to be more integral to the plot.

Rather than doomed because Zenos isn't there to be a platform for us, the timeline is doomed because no one go back in time. This means venat won't be able to tag meteion in elpis, probably won't even know her existence. Then again, the only timeline that isn't doomed due to this time loop is our current timeline, since going back to unsendered world require the modified CT + elidibus being trapped there.

[linayar]

I think someone had a fairly good analogy with the GoT season 8 thing. Was it a subversion? Sure. Was it anything objectively good?

Well, unlike season 8, I don't think this was objectively bad. (And the reason why season 8 was bad was insufficient build up, in my opinion, which I hope the final book would be a better version, still waiting...)

It just really downplayed the events for me and made me question what genre of the game i’m playing. Am i playing an rpg or a slice of life anime with haha’s everywhere.

The answer, to me, has always been both, not just for FFXIV. It's a slice of life in a world of conflict. That's what endeared me to the franchise in the first place, at least in the games that I've played so far.

I think subversion is being generous as it typically means that it leads to an interesting outcome.

It does lead to the end of Endwalker, which is a very interesting outcome for me.

You know, something that never quite sat well with me regarding our mission in ShB is that were attempting to prevent the 8UC by preventing the light wardens from finishing off the First, but back at the Source, Zenos was acting out on his own and successfully regained his body and proceeded to assassinate his own father, thus preventing him from issuing the order to deploy Black Rose. If he was going to do this anyways, what exactly was the point in going to the First at all?

If we weren't pulled to the First, we would've aided the war effort and pushed the Garleans to use Black Rose.

[BaconBits]

Honestly they should of just not introduced time travel to begin with.

[Jandor]

The Sundered weren't equipped to handle the Final Days better than the Ancients, the story is simply written to always disallow the protagonists to actually stand to lose anything of note no matter what threat they are dealing with at any given time.

They were, just by virtue of not being as well equipped in general. A sundered can turn into one monster, an ancient can produce many.