So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[Katt_Felista]

They were probably salty because you got carried through the fight by simply happening to join the right party at the right time. Your low damage and mechanical consistency is very likely a result of sacrificing your rotation/uptime to focus on mechanics, and if everyone in the party played like you, a clear would likely not be mathematically possible. If you haven't optimized a fight to a degree where you're actually pushing your fair share of damage, you haven't really "learned" the fight imo.

For reference, if you're doing 10% tank damage in P3S, you're something like 600+ dps off of what is widely considered to be the minimum expectation for a Tank in p4s. That's a HUGE gap, and unfairly offloads a lot of strain onto other players to make up the difference.

This is kind of bullshit and what you show is the exact "mentality" these third party programs bring to the game, for instance the 10% ranking doesn't mean "u did so bad to the fight" no, it just means that over "all the people that use ACT and loggers in game , you are in the low 10% of the best tanks LOGGED that cleared it" It is a very biased and skewed / idiotic reference to bring about, it does not mean "lol u so bad" either when you compare your peenus only with the top 8% of players that think they are the best for clearing it, it also still means that you are in the lower rank 10% of "best players logged" that down the fight but are just "logging" their fights, you know plenty of people are downing these fights without using these logs and all these tools right ? No i guess when you are used to these you can't fathom this.

It just serves one purpose that you obviously removed from the quote and is the only elitist /gatekeeping reason these exists.

[Michieltjuhh]

This is kind of bullshit and what you show is the exact "mentality" these third party programs bring to the game, for instance the 10% ranking doesn't mean "u did so bad to the fight" no, it just means that over "all the people that use ACT and loggers in game , you are in the low 10% of the best tanks LOGGED that cleared it" It is a very biased and skewed / idiotic reference to bring about, it does not mean "lol u so bad" either when you compare your peenus only with the top 8% of players that think they are the best for clearing it, it also still means that you are in the lower rank 10% of "best players logged" that down the fight but are just "logging" their fights, you know plenty of people are downing these fights without using these logs and all these tools right ? No i guess when you are used to these you can't fathom this.

It just serves one purpose that you obviously removed from the quote and is the only elitist /gatekeeping reason these exists.

No, it really isn't "bullshit", he's speaking the simple unfortunate truth. You, by your own statement, underperformed when it comes to playing your job, but did mechanics as correctly as you had to. If the entire raid was filled with players such as yourself, who underperformed on playing their job but did mechanics correctly, you would be in an unending loop of hitting enrage until you outgear the fight to an extent that the mistakes in rotation don't lead to enough of a DPS loss to fail making the DPS check. And I can tell you, that's not in week 1, 2 or 3.

That isn't to say the people in your (ex?)-static sound like absolute pricks, though. People who perform well at their job at the cost of doing fight mechanics are a lot worse to deal with than those who simply lost uptime to focus on mechanics. Even more so if they're arrogant.

[LittleImp]

This is kind of bullshit and what you show is the exact "mentality" these third party programs bring to the game, for instance the 10% ranking doesn't mean "u did so bad to the fight" no, it just means that over "all the people that use ACT and loggers in game , you are in the low 10% of the best tanks LOGGED that cleared it" It is a very biased and skewed / idiotic reference to bring about, it does not mean "lol u so bad" either when you compare your peenus only with the top 8% of players that think they are the best for clearing it, it also still means that you are in the lower rank 10% of "best players logged" that down the fight but are just "logging" their fights, you know plenty of people are downing these fights without using these logs and all these tools right ? No i guess when you are used to these you can't fathom this.

It just serves one purpose that you obviously removed from the quote and is the only elitist /gatekeeping reason these exists.

No, it quite literally means that you're underperforming in comparison to the bulk of kills. Believe it or not, a huge proportion of kills are actually logged, likely well more than 50%. You can easily observe this for yourself, as it's EXTREMELY rare while pugging that someone else does not end up uploading a log. The idea that logs only represent the top 8% of players is amusing and totally untrue. We're also able to look at the max HP of a boss, and based on job sims and collected data we're able to roughly determine what the expected minimum proportion of damage expected from a given role / job is, no rankings necessary. That 9/10% puts someone well below that mark in most encounters, particularly if it's 9/10% in a previous encounter.

The game itself gatekeeps you by creating enrages and gear requirements. Players have to be selective to ensure their success, particularly this early in the tier. It's simply the nature of the game, and the easiest way to not worry about it is to just become as proficient as you can.

[kizumiayamame]

This is kind of bullshit and what you show is the exact "mentality" these third party programs bring to the game, for instance the 10% ranking doesn't mean "u did so bad to the fight" no, it just means that over "all the people that use ACT and loggers in game , you are in the low 10% of the best tanks LOGGED that cleared it" It is a very biased and skewed / idiotic reference to bring about, it does not mean "lol u so bad" either when you compare your peenus only with the top 8% of players that think they are the best for clearing it, it also still means that you are in the lower rank 10% of "best players logged" that down the fight but are just "logging" their fights, you know plenty of people are downing these fights without using these logs and all these tools right ? No i guess when you are used to these you can't fathom this.

It just serves one purpose that you obviously removed from the quote and is the only elitist /gatekeeping reason these exists.

Katt_Felista can you find where LittleImp uses these for elitist/gatekeeping reasons?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

This is kind of bullshit and what you show is the exact "mentality" these third party programs bring to the game, for instance the 10% ranking doesn't mean "u did so bad to the fight" no, it just means that over "all the people that use ACT and loggers in game , you are in the low 10% of the best tanks LOGGED that cleared it" It is a very biased and skewed / idiotic reference to bring about, it does not mean "lol u so bad" either when you compare your peenus only with the top 8% of players that think they are the best for clearing it, it also still means that you are in the lower rank 10% of "best players logged" that down the fight but are just "logging" their fights, you know plenty of people are downing these fights without using these logs and all these tools right ? No i guess when you are used to these you can't fathom this.

It just serves one purpose that you obviously removed from the quote and is the only elitist /gatekeeping reason these exists.

So... THAT mentality aside... (I certainly hope you've removed yourself from the situation since it sounds distressful enough)

What are you going to do with your gameplay now that you know about your own performance from their revelation?