So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[Atelier-Bagur]

I really want whatever people like you two are smoking because all I see in these threads is only one side of the discussion getting heated and very pressed about it

and it's not coming from the pro-parser side, no, it's the side that's defending and absolving bad players of any responsibility because who gives a crap about personal responsibility and who cares about respecting the time and effort of other people, right? who cares that a 15 minute duty will take 30 or more minutes, a clear is a clear, right? the majority of people in the FC I'm in, which has just a few savage raiders, has stopped running roulettes because of people like you enabling the lazy and toxic players, and these aren't the only ones I know, other friends FCs have stopped doing them as well for the same reason

anecdotal evidence, sure, but attitudes like that are actively pushing "better" players away from roulettes, which results in the toxic attitude of you and the people that you are enabling to grow, hell, multiple high skilled players on these forums have said the same, that they, their friends and FCs have stopped running roulettes altogether because of people like you trying their hardest to stifle player development with your whole gig

then again, you'll just dismiss this post as more proof that the parsing boogeyman is bad and that your crappy attitude is the correct one, so

You're seriously being over dramatic, not every single duty you queue up in DF is a total slogfest. The majority of this community is not in a situation where there's a clear divide between the casual and the hardcore like WoW. The situation that you're thinking is so minor in the grand scheme of things that its not even worth the potential toxicity parsing would bring into the game. It's like trying to fix a papercut with an atom bomb. There's nothing wrong to help others on how to play better, but bringing in numbers is just gonna drive away a lot of people from having fun only for the sake of the few who cares about max deeps. Again, you have solutions already available if you want to be hardcore. Nothing is stopping you on building a premade or better yet just teaching your friends on how to maximize your precious dps, all you have to do is not be a complete dilbert about it and it'll be fine. Get over yourself.

[Michieltjuhh]

You're seriously being over dramatic, not every single duty you queue up in DF is a total slogfest. The majority of this community is not in a situation where there's a clear divide between the casual and the hardcore like WoW. The situation that you're thinking is so minor in the grand scheme of things that its not even worth the potential toxicity parsing would bring into the game. It's like trying to fix a papercut with an atom bomb.

Actually, majority of dungeons I do (and I do most as healer), I end up doing significantly more DPS than the actual DPS players while having to pull for the tank since most of them don't know how to walk nor press their 2-button AoE 'rotation'. The runs I do in DF are on average at least 50% slower than the ones I do with my friends. Yet if I queue as DPS I end up doing the vast majority of the carrying, and as tank I'm still topping DPS by a fair margin.

Meanwhile, they probably don't even know they're doing as bad as they are, because the game literally gives 0 feedback regarding your performance.

There's nothing wrong to help others on how to play better, but bringing in numbers is just gonna drive away a lot of people from having fun only for the sake of the few who cares about max deeps.

How exactly were you planning on telling someone to improve without the risk of getting banned for knowing that they were doing rubbish in the first place? Sure, dying is a clear tell, but most people don't press buttons 50% of the time as I mentioned above. You don't have to fail mechanics to fail at your job.

Again, you have solutions already available if you want to be hardcore. Nothing is stopping you on building a premade or better yet just teaching your friends on how to maximize your precious dps, all you have to do is not be a complete dilbert about it and it'll be fine. Get over yourself.

Ah yes, some kids are pissing in the pool, but you're not allowed to be annoyed with that so lets just leave if you don't like it! Got any other bright statements?