So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[JanVanding]

Honestly the fact that we are having heated arguements over this issue pretty much confirms why parsing should stay out of FFXIV. Its really not needed. People already stated the solution for hardcore endgame raiders. Run these with your FC or a premade where everyone is on board with high level performance. No need to rope in casuals.

Parsing is for optimization, to make sure you get your rotation down, to improve your own performance

People using "But Parsing will be used against me" are actually incredibly wrong.

Dying to easy mechanics, making obvious rotation mistakes that we can tell as clear as day, stand around and doing absolutely nothing....these are things people will have a problem with and we don't need a parser to know when someone is making mistake after mistake after mistake and not at all attempting to improve themselves.

Edit: And this needs to be emphasized, nobody is going to pull you over for not being perfect on your rotation, nobody is going to pull you over for tiny mistakes, nobody is going to get mad if you make a mistake, acknowledge it and rectify it after

People make mistakes, it's when someone refuses to acknowledge they're making a mistake and keep making it over and over and over or just are being plain lazy and expecting a carry.

This is what I and many others 100% have a problem with and how do we deal with it?

We disband and reform the group without the offending person.

If we are not allowed to call out that kind of behaviour, we just won't call it, we'll just find someone else that isn't behaving like a dead weight and refusing to admit they're the problem.

[Somnolence]

Parsing is for optimization, to make sure you get your rotation down, to improve your own performance

People using "But Parsing will be used against me" are actually incredibly wrong.

Dying to easy mechanics, making obvious rotation mistakes that we can tell as clear as day, stand around and doing absolutely nothing....these are things people will have a problem with and we don't need a parser to know when someone is making mistake after mistake after mistake and not at all attempting to improve themselves.

Edit: And this needs to be emphasized, nobody is going to pull you over for not being perfect on your rotation, nobody is going to pull you over for tiny mistakes, nobody is going to get mad if you make a mistake, acknowledge it and rectify it after

People make mistakes, it's when someone refuses to acknowledge they're making a mistake and keep making it over and over and over or just are being plain lazy and expecting a carry.

This is what I and many others 100% have a problem with and how do we deal with it?

We disband and reform the group without the offending person.

If we are not allowed to call out that kind of behaviour, we just won't call it, we'll just find someone else that isn't behaving like a dead weight and refusing to admit they're the problem.

This is why doing PF sucks in this game and even more casual statics are way more time efficient and better for everyone's sanity - PFs are unwilling to kick worst offenders, but disband for people to join/create new party finders to "reroll" the party.

So you wait for PF to fill up, go in, spend time re-discussing strats (because of course there are multiple variants and macros floating around), eat food again, if its a "loot party" pop a potion in an opener only to realize this group won't work out and you need to find another one and start again.

No wonder FFXIV community is known for passive-aggressiveness as players get frustrated but avoid communicating and thus situation does not improve and eventually when it boils over it results in toxicity.

I think big reason for this is that Western players do not use JP server strategy of using PF to practice and raid finder to clear content. It works well for Japan because if raid finders are used then getting a party happens faster and if its is failing then vote abandon works as intended. And Japanese due their culture are far more self-conscious and do not want to stand out by being bad thus they prepare by learning their job and content and if they make mistakes - politely apologize.

[LisSquid]

PFs are unwilling to kick worst offenders, but disband for people to join/create new party finders to "reroll" the party.

I tried to sneak in a P2s clear before maint and got to eat paint as the two members of this "3rd Channeling to Clear" group couldn't figure out Limit Cut. Actually had to pull up clips from the fight as they tried to convince me that I and the BLM were always in "their" spot. Rest of the party was fine. Damage was pumping and everything felt comfortable. Just two people hardstuck us in this clear party and the leader refused to boot.