So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[DarkDredgen]

These casuals usually are not in end game content. Most end game content needs a pre made anyways. Doesn’t mean a person can’t expect some form of ability beyond showing up and 1,2,3ing for casual content.
But those are the sweaty try hards as you see them. Keep excusing poor play and vilifying people who put in an honest effort and the player base will never evolve.

So, why not form a premade party for whatever content you do find these casuals in?

Now you're suggesting a basic skill margain for MSQ/regular content too? Provide evidence of someone exclusively using their 1-2-3 combo else im calling a bs attempt at validating your own argument.

I hate to break this to you, but the world doesn't revolve around you and what you want to happen. Who decided you get to move the goal posts and set the standards?

For the fourth time, because this is a very important yet simple concept you seem to keep overlooking, if you are not satisfied with casual players (and again, thats the majority of the player base) then you are absolutely free to form premade parties to tackle any content this game has to offer.

You make the choice to play with casual players.

What you are not free to do is be an a-hole to people in game because they might be 'underperforming', as per the games rules.

How do you know the person you are shaming/belittling/patronising isn't a young kid? Or a middle aged man trying to unwind after a crap day in work?

I'm done stating the obvious to you.

Enjoy the game...if that's even possible for some of you.

[Kolaina]

long winded and angry post

So here comes the cliche, goes both ways comment. Why not form a premade casual group? Because people shouldn’t need to do that to complete content.

What’s inherently wrong with a basic standard? Do you just not want to improve? Satisfied with mediocrity? Also, all these “provide proof” people. Sorry, I’m not in game right now. I’m also not going to jump in and out of duties, hoping to get a complete disaster of a dps so i can show you proof. Doesn’t mean these players do not exist. Call bs all you want. If you cared enough about performance, you may start to notice when people are severely underperforming and find the proof you are looking for.
Again, I’ll give the cliche goes both ways comment about the world doesnt revolve around you comment. The part you ignore though is that when you do group content, your little world, now impacts others who get tossed in with you. You have an impact on their world, their play and their time. Maybe be respectful of those people and understand, your comment, goes for you too.
Again, as it seems to be a necessary thing to point out to you, goes both ways. Form your premade if you want to waste time, and hardly lift a finger to clear content. You think i actually hate playing with casuals, which I don’t. There’s a difference between a casual, and someone getting carried. Those are the ones i do not like and the ones you are excusing with your very angry retort towards me.
Who says I’m an “a-hole” as you put it? You? Very vulgar just because you disagree with me. Who says i even speak up to people. What makes me an “a-hole” exactly? Because i think people who are taking up others time should do more than make a mediocre attempt? That’s the toxic casualism i refer to.
Again you are making unfounded accusations. Just because someone wants a certain standard does not make them “shaming/belittling/patronizing”. The hypocrisy though considering that is the entirety of your post.
Conclusion; you’re just angry and need to calm down =]

[MaxCarnage]

Now you're suggesting a basic skill margain for MSQ/regular content too? Provide evidence of someone exclusively using their 1-2-3 combo else im calling a bs attempt at validating your own argument.

I can name a few of my experiences, though you'll dismiss them for lack of "video evidence".

- I had a WHM recently in the level 90 MSQ dungeon that only used Medica II for group healing. Would use Medica II during trash pulls to give the tank a regen, but wouldn't actually give them a single target regen. Wouldn't use lilies, Lucid Dreaming, Divine Benison, Benediction, or Tetra, and would only assize after the mobs were dead to get some MP back. Oh, and also didn't Holy at all.

- Had a DRG in level 80 content who wouldn't AoE. Only used 1-2-3. They didn't have blood of the dragon, so they weren't using their 4 or 5 at all. Just 1-2-3.

- Had a BLM in level 80 content when that was end game that would only use Thunder IV during trash pulls. Nothing else. Just Thunder IV.

- Had a BRD in level 60+ content that would only use Rain of Death as an AoE. Wouldn't use Quick Notch at all. Just single target until Rain of Death was off CD.

- All the tanks that will hit 3 or 4 AoE skills just to grab aggro, and then stand there just auto-attacking until the mobs are dead.

- The fact that I have personally experienced healers getting kicked from duties for asking people to please dodge AoEs.

That's just a few I can name off the top of my head. Oh, and let's not forget all the people who are doing their lvl 50 rotation still in lvl 80+ content, which is essentially still 1-2-3ing.