New SMN is a mind-numbingly boring one-button job

[battleshadow66]

If we want new ideas to make it less "mind numbing", how about adding Ramuh and Leviathan to the list of things we summon? Make them both CDs outside of the prime 3 and give each one a function beyond damage? Like Leviathan's abilities focus on debuffs, and Ramuh's focus on either buffs or maybe a DoT (Not unlike Bio or Miasma, this one is just a CD DoT).

You could MAYBE make a case for, say, ARR summoner, at best. But the latest iteration before EW had two dots that you could basically ignore so long as you used tri-disaster on cooldown. That is not a poison or dot mage.

The whole job was a mess forever and it was clear they were trying to do into the current direction for years. The whole job made more sense for SCH then SMN, and the Demi summons were their way of trying to get back to SMN basics. Which led to them scraping the whole original job for the new rework.

I wonder why I said any of this?

[CKNovel]

The devs: we don't want players to think of Summoner as a poison mage anymore and this is one of the main points we addressed in this rework

(some) Players: proceed to ignore their direct words and reasoning in attempt to justify the previous state of the job

Most Players: Thank you for your hard work and giving us new SMN can't wait to see more!

This is my interpretation of the situation at a glance.

The community: "Man, this rework is great but it's kinda lacking, can we have a bit more button to press?"

A minorty: "REEEEE POISON MAGES WANTS TO REVERT THE REWORK"

This is my interpretation of the situation.

[Rolder50]

The community: "Man, this rework is great but it's kinda lacking, can we have a bit more button to press?"

A minorty: "REEEEE POISON MAGES WANTS TO REVERT THE REWORK"

This is my interpretation of the situation.

This is an accurate representation of the situation. I don't care if there are dots or not just give me some more buttons to press

[Dahlinea]

The devs: we don't want players to think of Summoner as a poison mage anymore and this is one of the main points we addressed in this rework

(some) Players: proceed to ignore their direct words and reasoning in attempt to justify the previous state of the job

Most Players: Thank you for your hard work and giving us new SMN can't wait to see more!

This is my interpretation of the situation at a glance.

The community: "Man, this rework is great but it's kinda lacking, can we have a bit more button to press?"

A minorty: "REEEEE POISON MAGES WANTS TO REVERT THE REWORK"

This is my interpretation of the situation.

Pretty much this, tbh.

[ssunny2008]

What are you on about? What does any of that have to do with what I said? Or is this just silly case of speaking before thinking? #

Have you even read your statement? "A copy & paste warlock clone isn´t unique. What are you on about lol!"
This is a silly case of speaking before thinking, isn´t it?

I haven´t seen another warlock in this game, so yes... prepatch summoner wasn´t a real summoner, but it had some unique gameplay and stuff to care about compared to the one-button spam we´ve now. So what´s the point of your claim? Because another game has a similar class? You do know that the whole trinity, well the whole MMORPG system is just copy & paste from earlier games?! SE did nothing else than tweaking some systems like "You can use any job on 1 character.", and that´s probably the only thing which is still a thing. Everything else like unique FF series systems, unique debuffs or that you need 2 baseclasses to unlock he advanced one, is gone. Even positionals as a unique core aspect got more and more deleted thx to all the crying out there.

Games are getting inspired from each other, that´s the way it works. It´s hard and rare to invent something new, because we already have everything out there. And this game wouldn´t even be a thing without a successful game like World of Warcraft, because it made a lot of stuff better than anything before and that stuff got used in later games. Heck even PLD is inspired by middle-age knights, a standard class in 1000 games..., WAR is nothing but a berserk, and so on...

[battleshadow66]

Have you even read your statement? "A copy & paste warlock clone isn´t unique. What are you on about lol!"
This is a silly case of speaking before thinking, isn´t it?

I haven´t seen another warlock in this game, so yes... prepatch summoner wasn´t a real summoner, but it had some unique gameplay and stuff to care about compared to the one-button spam we´ve now. So what´s the point of your claim? Because another game has a similar class? You do know that the whole trinity, well the whole MMORPG system is just copy & paste from earlier games?! SE did nothing else than tweaking some systems like "You can use any job on 1 character.", and that´s probably the only thing which is still a thing. Everything else like unique FF series systems, unique debuffs or that you need 2 baseclasses to unlock he advanced one, is gone. Even positionals as a unique core aspect got more and more deleted thx to all the crying out there.

Games are getting inspired from each other, that´s the way it works. It´s hard and rare to invent something new, because we already have everything out there. And this game wouldn´t even be a thing without a successful game like World of Warcraft, because it made a lot of stuff better than anything before and that stuff got used in later games. Heck even PLD is inspired by middle-age knights, a standard class in 1000 games..., WAR is nothing but a berserk, and so on...

You clearly didn't even bother looking at my edit from 4 hours ago or so. Original post called it a "unique playstyle", when it wasn't. DoTs and pets, something tons of other MMOs have and more so with Warcrafts Warlocks, which is the closest cousin to it from an ARR to HW point of view. Yoshi said the game took a lot of inspiration from Warcraft. I don't understand why you guys can't think past your own nose so to speak.

Upset because I called it a "copy-paste warlock" yet haven't argued about that otherwise. SMN has DoTs to manage? Check. Has abilities that work with DoTs? Check. Has Pets that are really just glorified DoTs? Check. Has the spell to rez allies? Check.

Villainizing me just because I can easily see the similarities. Honestly, I think you guys just get your panties in a bunch because I brought up something from Warcraft.

[Imoen]

New SMN has nothing to do with the old one, and SMN mains have been deprived of a unique playstyle which they've been playing for up to 8 years.

What's so unique about copy paste warlock playstyle? There was nothing unique about it, what are you on about? lol

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The original post was in the bounds of XIV, not the wider world of gaming. This was clear by "SMN mains" not "people that also play World of Warcraft".

It has less to do with bringing up warlock and more to do with why you brought up warlock.

At best you misread and responded. At worst, you didn't read, saw what you wanted, then responded. Edit: Not here to beat you up over it, hopefully just provide some clarity.

[gumas]

yeah thats it yoshi, instead of making a brand new class, they should focus on the already existing class and put branch class a.k.a talent

you wanna go "one button" smn? pick talent A, you wanna go "heavy breathing brd button pressing?" pick talent B which is dot smn

[Snowdove]

This is an accurate representation of the situation. I don't care if there are dots or not just give me some more buttons to press

I don't necessarily want more buttons to press. I just want have to do more more thinking about the rotation rather than "press what flashes".

[gumas]

I don't necessarily want more buttons to press. I just want have to do more more thinking about the rotation rather than "press what flashes".

but that.... exactly what dancer are lol