New SMN is a mind-numbingly boring one-button job

[Dahlinea]

Hey, if you don't want that Bahamut, MCH will gladly take it.
At least you give orders to Bahamut, you press and forget the Rook Turret/Automaton queen.

*laughs in just hitting one button and forgetting about Bahamut now too

[tearagion]

Hey, if you don't want that Bahamut, MCH will gladly take it.
At least you give orders to Bahamut, you press and forget the Rook Turret/Automaton queen.

You give one order, enkindle, as for other buttons you press during a demi it's 1 6 times, energy drain, and 2 festers (on average). I don't play MCH but I understand your burst is more involved, and you very rarely have to use Queen Overdrive manually? Looking at the ability Crowned Collider could have been an enkindle-esque button, I don't know about popular opinion, but it sounds like a cool possibility to me.

Either way that was exactly what I enjoyed about SB Bahamut, 2 enkindles and the different trigger for Wyrmwaves made your burst phase feel extremely involved and in tandem with the summon (compared to now), and you were rewarded significantly for the optimal execution.

[Lilyth]

Hey, if you don't want that Bahamut, MCH will gladly take it.
At least you give orders to Bahamut, you press and forget the Rook Turret/Automaton queen.

The level of "order" you give Bahamut now is the same as Automaton Queen. Actually, at least with queen you can manipulate gauge level and plan ahead to hit most raid buffs with it. Bahamut you can't even do that, it's press and forget.

[Grimoire-M]

Been waiting on 15s of unfettered Akh Morn spam since Stormblood. Which I do consider to be worse than Endwalker on a singular basis: Pet AI sucked back then. If we had current pet AI yes Stormblood Summoner would be better, but not by much. I don’t think I’d want it or Endwalker Summoner over ARR or HW but I agree those were too Arcanist focused. What I want is Shadowbringers but with actual pet oGCDs and resources to manage and for DoTs and Aetherflow to interact with them, building up to the avatars as you empower Carby with their essence.

You know, making Summons the reward for playing Summoner well rather than a random thing that happens because you’ve got to press buttons

[Adonan]

Hey, if you don't want that Bahamut, MCH will gladly take it.
At least you give orders to Bahamut, you press and forget the Rook Turret/Automaton queen.

The only thing we really order it to use is Akh Morn. You know what Bahamut reminds me of: Evan from Maplestory. I haven't played that game in years, but I remember Evan worked the same way. You played the character, and the dragon followed you around and casted spells, while you just pointed it in the right direction, but the Summoner can cast spells too. Although, the old Bahamut worked more like that as his spell casts were synced up with yours.

[battleshadow66]

What´s so unique to spam 1 button permanently? Does Warrior has a new Omicron-variant to infect other classes with his core-gameplay?

But hell yeah... to renew that 1 button on your keyboard or controller after a couple of raids seems pretty unique to me... Oh wait, it´s already a thing on healers. Hmmm... what else could be unique then?! Animations? Woooooooow...... maybe we should watch a 10 minutes cutszene each fight, so we don´t have to PLAY a GAME anymore.

Serious now... that SMN is able to perform very, very well with a 1 button-macro is indeed unique.

What are you on about? What does any of that have to do with what I said? Or is this just silly case of speaking before thinking? Yes, there is nothing unique about current summoner either, but let's not pretend like that whole job was not an afterthought build around Warcrafts Warlock. The whole job was a mess forever and it was clear they were trying to do into the current direction for years. The whole job made more sense for SCH then SMN, and the Demi summons were their way of trying to get back to SMN basics. Which led to them scraping the whole original job for the new rework.

Yes, yes, it currently boring. But it's a steppingstone in the right direction and they can improve upon it.

[Rolder50]

What are you on about? What does any of that have to do with what I said? Or is this just silly case of speaking before thinking? Yes, there is nothing unique about current summoner either, but let's not pretend like that whole job was not an afterthought build around Warcrafts Warlock. The whole job was a mess forever and it was clear they were trying to do into the current direction for years. The whole job made more sense for SCH then SMN, and the Demi summons were their way of trying to get back to SMN basics. Which led to them scraping the whole original job for the new rework.

Yes, yes, it currently boring. But it's a steppingstone in the right direction and they can improve upon it.

The moment anyone on here bring up WoW Warlock I automatically ignore the rest of their argument. SMN has never been anything like that, and bringing it up shows you have no idea what you are on about.

That aside, I can think of many times a job has been in a bad state and people say "Oh it's only a foundation they'll improve on it!" only for it to never be improved. The latest example being MCH from ShB to EW.

[battleshadow66]

The moment anyone on here bring up WoW Warlock I automatically ignore the rest of their argument. SMN has never been anything like that, and bringing it up shows you have no idea what you are on about.

That aside, I can think of many times a job has been in a bad state and people say "Oh it's only a foundation they'll improve on it!" only for it to never be improved. The latest example being MCH from ShB to EW.

It was an affliction Lock. Come on, you'd have to be a fool to ignore the similarities. Oh yeah, I forgot, I said the no-no word and that makes people around here upset.

This reminds me of the people who proclaim to people that they are ignoring them. Like who cares, just do it. Like I give a darn if you're going to ignore what I say. XD

[aveyond-dreams]

The devs: we don't want players to think of Summoner as a poison mage anymore and this is one of the main points we addressed in this rework

(some) Players: proceed to ignore their direct words and reasoning in attempt to justify the previous state of the job

Most Players: Thank you for your hard work and giving us new SMN can't wait to see more!

This is my interpretation of the situation at a glance.

[Rolder50]

It was an affliction Lock. Come on, you'd have to be a fool to ignore the similarities. Oh yeah, I forgot, I said the no-no word and that makes people around here upset.

This reminds me of the people who proclaim to people that they are ignoring them. Like who cares, just do it. Like I give a darn if you're going to ignore what I say. XD

You could MAYBE make a case for, say, ARR summoner, at best. But the latest iteration before EW had two dots that you could basically ignore so long as you used tri-disaster on cooldown. That is not a poison or dot mage.