*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

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If you don't like the word "contrivances", go with "plot elements". The fact of the matter is that the ancients were divided over this topic, for reasons we don't exactly know, even if we do know what was animating Venat's concerns now. Hence that poster, pointing me to that cutscene is a waste of my time, because this whole topic was covered extensively in SHB through a multitude of sources and was not as simplistic as that stylised scene ultimately makes it out to be.

Whatever makes it easy for you to sleep at night. Selectively choosing scenes to believe and one’s not to does not equal canon however. If you want to point out the specifics for the differences, that’s fine. But the fact remains that the plan to rely wholly on Zodiark was doomed to fail. It worked to buy time. That’s all.

Forgiven, because you're not right. I am aware of the point it is making. Where I diverge is leaping from what is shown in the Dead Ends to the notion that the ancients could not possibly have adjusted their ways without being sundered, if they had been given the requisite information, and not just in the form of inspirational quotes.

Venat would disagree, a position she gained nothing from having. Emet as well would concede that Venats path was the correct one. As much as I respect your opinion and your right to have it, I will place their judgements of what Ancient society could and couldn’t do over yours.

Venat herself states that the conclusion of Hermes's report would not phase many of her people and that unlike Hermes, they'd be able to accept it. But the fact is, they were not presented with this information, which would have provided tangible proof of her concerns. At the time, they were grieving the utter devastation of their star and decimation of their population.

I would ask for the full quote your referencing.

Give them the information in full and we'll talk. Until then we're dealing on the mere say-so that they wouldn't.

Once again, denying canon statements won’t make them any less important.

I hold them as having less moral consideration period. Again, ensouled does not necessarily mean sentient. Mankind and some particular familiars were sentient, plants are not

Thats fine. My point however is a soul is a soul. There is no distinction made between a humans, and plants in universe..