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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
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    No. I'm simply illustrating how your explanation hinges on events (i.e. G'raha's alteration to the timeline, our return to Elpis) as having always been destined to have happened, irrespective of any conscious choices made by the characters. Which is certainly possible, but I wanted to be sure that this was actually the philosophical stance that you were taking. I'm simply observing your starting premises. There's no need to worry about getting pulled into a Wikipedia-sourced internet debate on causality to defend your claims. It is possible to explain the timeline without events being fated to occur, but it requires that Venat gain her knowledge of the future only duriing the events of this expansion i.e. it's not 'all according to plan'.

    I think it's worthwhile to attempt to piece together the bits that we have on how spacetime magic works in universe given that it's been used an awful lot in the past two expansions, it has ties to Allag and shard travel, and it at least visually appears to be similar to Azem's own signature magic. I think that there's enough detail from the in-game lore for this to be a hard magic system, and I'd like to know what the rules actually are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    No. I'm simply illustrating how your explanation hinges on events (i.e. G'raha's alteration to the timeline, our return to Elpis) as having always been destined to have happened, irrespective of any conscious choices made by the characters. Which is certainly possible, but I wanted to be sure that this was actually the philosophical stance that you were taking. I'm simply observing your starting premises. There's no need to worry about getting pulled into a Wikipedia-sourced internet debate on causality to defend your claims. It is possible to explain the timeline without events being fated to occur, but it requires that Venat gain her knowledge of the future only duriing the events of this expansion i.e. it's not 'all according to plan'.

    I think it's worthwhile to attempt to piece together the bits that we have on how spacetime magic works in universe given that it's been used an awful lot in the past two expansions, it has ties to Allag and shard travel, and it at least visually appears to be similar to Azem's own signature magic. I think that there's enough detail from the in-game lore for this to be a hard magic system, and I'd like to know what the rules actually are.
    I will argue that the existence of the future doesn’t negate free will. So long as the ability to do otherwise exists and we have the choice to follow our desires, then we have free will.
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