The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Atma]

Imagine queuing for Alliance Raid and getting a Nier raid or Monastery on the daily? You might think you want those more but you'll realize that they're hard and there will certainly be wipes if people are new.

We don't have to imagine it. Those of us who have this content unlocked experience this on rare occasions we get something other than Syrcus. People act like ShB relics were not a thing, where we were running ShB and HW raids people had never seen all of the time, with people who had never seen them, so that they could complete their Bozja chain.

Getting newbies happens all the time during the rare experiences where we actually get to do something other than Run #295 of Syrcus Tower. It rarely results in a wipe, and if players were actually, y'know - occasionally required to do them - the "speed gap" between these and CT would dramatically decrease. I would posit the main reason why "higher level raids take longer" is because 20% of people in the thing spend half the instance floor tanking or with a damage debuff. This isn't their fault, either. This happens because they never actually get to learn the content, because they never get any exposure to it because *PEOPLE KEEP FORCING THEM INTO SYRCUS* because they want to netflix and press 1-2-3 and get oodles of xp for it.

If everyone was doing this in order to ensure that every single LDR that they did was Sastasha or Toto-rak, it would literally be fixed the next patch. Instead they created a system for high level players so they can make SURE they don't repetitively get thrown into the same, dull, low-level content. I don't know why, legitimately, people are in such a rush to get to high level if they don't want to do any content that actually gives them access to the new abilities they get from being higher level. The level 81 dungeon is more mechanically difficult than most raids, yet for some reason people are terrified of having to "press a button to use a shield" or "I might have to make an opening in a circle face a guy." Most old "insta-wipe" mechanics have even been nerfed at this point, or gear levels have reached the point where lots of people can take a hit, even if barely, that would have wiped them out before.

I just did WOD yesterday. We almost wiped more times than the last time I got Nier. I've seen Behemoth wipes in the last 7 days. How many times in the past month have you wiped to people starting Atomos early because they still have not realized it doesn't work like a normal boss and you wait BEFORE the line for people to get there, NOT past it? And a wipe to the final boss of LOTA? It's almost 50/50 because half the group tries to push second flare when the DPS clearly isn't there.

There are plenty of solutions, it's not OK, and it should have been patched out long ago. The fact it works and isn't "against the rules" doesn't make gaming the system "ok" from a moral perspective.

[Menriq]

There are plenty of solutions, it's not OK, and it should have been patched out long ago. The fact it works and isn't "against the rules" doesn't make gaming the system "ok" from a moral perspective.

I would be willing to bet the people doing it couldn't care less whether some random person on the forum thinks it is morally ok or not.

[kaynide]

I would be willing to bet the people doing it couldn't care less whether some random person on the forum thinks it is morally ok or not.

Can confirm, do not care. The newbie waiting in line trying to get their roulette to pop will get it to pop eventually. Like 15-20 minutes when I tried it out today for an Ivalis one just to see.

Some random player’s boredom/dislike at getting the same dungeon does not supersede my own frustration/dislike at the higher level raids.

[Atma]

Can confirm, do not care. The newbie waiting in line trying to get their roulette to pop will get it to pop eventually. Like 15-20 minutes when I tried it out today for an Ivalis one just to see.

Some random player’s boredom/dislike at getting the same dungeon does not supersede my own frustration/dislike at the higher level raids.

Sure doesn't, but it also doesn't remove our ability, nor right, to advocate for change to eliminate clearly exploitative behavior.

[Scaramouche]

Sure doesn't, but it also doesn't remove our ability, nor right, to advocate for change to eliminate clearly exploitative behavior.

You realize if someone isn't using ilvl cheese or whatever way to force CT raid their spot would be open for you or someone else who don't like CT?
All it takes is one 59 or below and all people matched with them are gonna get CT.

[Reinha]

You realize if someone isn't using ilvl cheese or whatever way to force CT raid

Then maybe a CT raid wouldn't form at all in that moment and we could all see a different raid for once.

[Scaramouche]

CT is mandatory and all players who can queue for alliance roulette will have at least LoTA/ST unlocked. Of course you get them a lot more.

[Iscah]

How many times in the past month have you wiped to people starting Atomos early because they still have not realized it doesn't work like a normal boss and you wait BEFORE the line for people to get there, NOT past it?

I'm not 100% certain but I think it's still fine to step just inside the line, but the problems start when people think they can enter and get in position on the coloured circles.

[Atma]

I'm not 100% certain but I think it's still fine to step just inside the line, but the problems start when people think they can enter and get in position on the coloured circles.

I've seen people get zinged by them being barely past the line after they sit in the arena for a certain period of time when no one else had even entered. It was myself, and 1 other person, waiting for everyone who had gotten clipped by heavy. They were just past the line, I had almost finished typing "you probably shouldn't be inside..." and zwoop, aggro line on them.

That aggro is busted, random, and broken. I've been clipped myself being barely inside the line with others barely inside the line, I wasn't even the closest person.

[Packetdancer]

Getting newbies happens all the time during the rare experiences where we actually get to do something other than Run #295 of Syrcus Tower. It rarely results in a wipe, and if players were actually, y'know - occasionally required to do them - the "speed gap" between these and CT would dramatically decrease. I would posit the main reason why "higher level raids take longer" is because 20% of people in the thing spend half the instance floor tanking or with a damage debuff. This isn't their fault, either. This happens because they never actually get to learn the content, because they never get any exposure to it because *PEOPLE KEEP FORCING THEM INTO SYRCUS* because they want to netflix and press 1-2-3 and get oodles of xp for it.

I'm also gonna point out that I've observed a non-zero intersection between "people who want to queue only for Crystal Tower" (and also "people who always tell folks to just run older content unsynced with higher-level friends") and "people who complain in endgame content that no one seems to know all these mechanics 'that have been around forever'."

"Why doesn't anyone know how Pyretic works?" Who on earth even sees Pyretic in this game anymore prior to Bozja or Seat of Sacrifice? (Yes, "Extreme Caution" and "Acceleration Bomb" are functionally the same thing as Pyretic, but a lot of people aren't familiar with those either.)

If you only run the oldest content, or run things unsynced, such that people faceroll through it without needing to worry about mechanics (and often without mechanics even happening due to the speed of kills, and when -- as I've often seen -- people will go "nah folks don't need to know these mechanics, we can still clear with a lot of deaths" and just try to faceroll even later stuff (i.e., Mhach et al), then I strongly feel that you have absolutely no grounds to complain that people getting to endgame don't know those mechanics.

Like, if you want to never have Orbonne show up in roulettes and only ever want to do Crystal Tower because it's an easy faceroll, then I'd argue you have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain that half of the group doesn't know how Mustadio's dumb shield mechanic works (marking the weak sides is the most visually unintuitive telegraph this game has ever introduced) when they decide to try Delubrum Reginae's savage variant and the same thing comes up during the gunner's portion of the Queen's Guard fight.