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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    according to what we have been told by reps, what you are doing is actualy considered illegal

    if you are not at your computer, you are afk leveling/botting basicaly which is against tos

    this change is aimed at people like you
    You actually believe that it's against TOS to play the game without looking at the screen? You're going to have to point me in the direction of where in the rules it says that as I'm a tad unconvinced to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerSully View Post
    You actually believe that it's against TOS to play the game without looking at the screen? You're going to have to point me in the direction of where in the rules it says that as I'm a tad unconvinced to say the least.
    I could be mistaken, but I thought a community rep actually made a post about it in a thread on the topic and stated that it was in fact a breach of the TOS. Don't look at me for the quote though cause I'm just going on fuzzy memory and I would have no idea. LOL.

    But on a side note isn't this:
    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerSully View Post
    play the game without looking at the screen?
    a paradox of sorts? How can you play if you aren't engaged with it. To me that's not playing. It's just pushing buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    I could be mistaken, but I thought a community rep actually made a post about it in a thread on the topic and stated that it was in fact a breach of the TOS. Don't look at me for the quote though cause I'm just going on fuzzy memory and I would have no idea. LOL.
    If you don't have a link or quote then fair enough, but I still remain doubtful. Not like the TOS is some super elusive document anyway, browsing through it now I have yet to find anything even remotely similar to how I'm playing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    But on a side note isn't this: a paradox of sorts? How can you play if you aren't engaged with it. To me that's not playing. It's just pushing buttons.
    Selecting standard synthesis over and over again is engaging somehow? Whether I'm looking at the screen or not makes no difference, it's all "just pushing buttons". Not to mention I know exactly what my button pressing is doing for me, so I'd argue that I am playing anyways. If a blind person kicked my ass at Street Fighter, I wouldn't say "You're not even playing, you're just pushing buttons!", whatever that even means.

    What are you getting at anyway? I can't help get this "If you are gonna craft, then you NEED TO CRAFT PROPERLY LIKE ME, DAMN IT!" vibe from these responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerSully View Post
    Selecting standard synthesis over and over again is engaging somehow? Whether I'm looking at the screen or not makes no difference, it's all "just pushing buttons". Not to mention I know exactly what my button pressing is doing for me, so I'd argue that I am playing anyways. If a blind person kicked my ass at Street Fighter, I wouldn't say "You're not even playing, you're just pushing buttons!", whatever that even means.

    What are you getting at anyway? I can't help get this "If you are gonna craft, then you NEED TO CRAFT PROPERLY LIKE ME, DAMN IT!" vibe from these responses.
    On the bolded part, definitely nothing of the sort. I just found it to be a curiosity.

    But I guess part of the viewpoint in this discussion does have to do largely with a person's crafting style. I mean, even now there is much more that you can do than just push standard the whole way. The problem is, and always has been, that you can get by using the path of least resistance pretty much 100% of the time. So why not just do that?

    They designed this great crafting system on paper, thinking it was complex and robust, but they inadvertently overlooked the fact that it was all too easy to spam a single button and skip over everything else they tried to weave in. In the end, nobody but a few us really learned all the nuances of the system since there wasn't any foreseeable benefit to doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UmJammerSully View Post
    You actually believe that it's against TOS to play the game without looking at the screen? You're going to have to point me in the direction of where in the rules it says that as I'm a tad unconvinced to say the least.
    While I may feel it is silly, it is in the ToS. The specific portion (at least as I read it):

    ...during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.
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