What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[crimsonwitch]

Whether you're on the "i loved it" or "i hated it" train, I don't ever recall seeing this much dislike for shadowbringers storyline. it's actually kinda sad.

I actually find it very peculiar because the woman who wrote SHB won an award, surely she didn't think that Endwalker was wrapped up well?

[SDaemon]

I actually find it very peculiar because the woman who wrote SHB won an award, surely she didn't think that Endwalker was wrapped up well?

She wrote Endwalker as well, I can't see any reason she isn't proud of her writing here. Any written work has fans and critics and some are loved more than others, just the way of things.

[Alaray]

That all sounds like something that shouldn't have been introduced in the second to last zone, lol.

I kinda do agree in some ways, where the formal explanation felt a bit sudden initially (more in a "oh, it's introduced and fully explained /this/ expansion"). Though, Nidhana mentions "Akasa" which is a word for Dynamis as understood (very lightly) by the present, sundered world (and this is introduced at the tail end of... I believe after Zot, when leaving Thavnair -- which is roughly where I went to "I assume Akasa, an emotional energy, has something to do with the core plot"). There are other little bits here and there that reference Dynamis, though the vast majority of people going through a story probably wouldn't notice since they're very off to the side (ie: Dynamis Dice was introduced in Shadowbringers, as part of the Bozja content and, even there, it's just an item that has a chance to randomly roll things like Healer LB3 or Doom) or the way Limit Break plays into it (which usually reads something like "Breaking the Bounds of Your Limits" which can be vague, though there were people thinking it was related to a different type of energy for a while, but it's a very small and easy to miss thing since on the surface one can just think "oh, breaking normal mortal limits = using more aether than usually possible").

Song of Oblivion was referenced back in Stormblood, during the Omega Raids I think.

There are bits speckled in a long time back, but they're really small and incredibly easy bits to miss since they're not really pointed out in the MSQ itself.

[crimsonwitch]

She wrote Endwalker as well, I can't see any reason she isn't proud of her writing here. Any written work has fans and critics and some are loved more than others, just the way of things.

I mean, i'm not saying she wouldn't be proud, but i feel like Japanese are perfectionistic in their work. So, im not sure how Ishikawa-san missed the part where venat knew world was gonna end and just decided to place hope on the WoL because we're cool. It is silly writing IMHO.
Meteion and everything else was fine and acceptable, but the way venat was portrayed as the "knower of all" but just kinda existed as the crystal because timeloop was weird. They could've greatly improved the storyline by allowed her memories to get wiped and make hydaelyn of her own volition. Unless I missed something. But still, I don't think that would've solved the issue of the convocation summoning zodiark..

[Rulakir]

I don't think wrapping everything up in 6.0 was the right decision. Despite it being the same main scenario writer, EW didn't flow seamlessly from ShB. There were a surprising amount of inconsistencies. ShB seemed to be laying down a foundation that was discarded in EW for new construction. As a result, my impression is there were too many cooks in the kitchen with EW. I suppose there would be for the finale, but the narrative suffered for it, IMO. The response shouldn't be "it works if you don't think about it", especially with how fandoms love to dissect lore.

Also, as someone relatively new to the game, FFXIV players have a bizarre intolerance of critical feedback. Whenever someone posts something negative people feel compelled to dismiss their arguments and marginalize them as a minority. Nobody's supposed to discuss that they didn't like something or why? It's been a common complaint on Reddit that people can't post their thoughts without being downvoted. I don't engage in Twitter or Discord, but I've heard the same oppressive behavior exists there as well. The forums seem to have enough push back to not put up with that behavior hence people feel more comfortable sharing their thoughts here.

[Narigo1]

Ik this is unrleated to the topic. But Heavensward is the best written expansion in FFXIV

[OhNooo]

Also, as someone relatively new to the game, FFXIV players have a bizarre intolerance of critical feedback. Whenever someone posts something negatively people feel compelled to dismiss their arguments and marginalize them as a minority.

I’ve noticed this too. It’s actually pretty off-putting.

Ik this is unrleated to the topic. But Heavensward is the best written expansion in FFXIV

Completely agree! HW is my favorite expansion in regards to the story and aesthetics. For me, there was a great balance between fantasy and more “grounded” moments.

[Kozh]

That’s my point. You’re making objective statements about story moments when they are by definition based on subjective feelings. A lot of people liked the story and don’t feel it had “cheap” moments. You disagree. That’s okay. But disparaging the story and claiming it was bad is different from saying, “I didn’t like it.”

Oh, so it's only subjective when "the story is bad", but it's objective when "the story is good". Let's face it, you guys also spin your own perspective-based opinion as a fact.

This community is a hypocrite. People bashed SB so much and saying it's good is enough to get you get laughed at, and yet now there are people who dislike ShB/EW, it's all "no, the story is good, you're just haters/it's just your opinion!!1!". People who dare riticize the story are treated like criminal.

[Kozh]

Getting sidetracked, but does anyone remember the reason why the Ancients want to bring back the people sacrificed to Zodiark, back in Shadowbringers (not the reason they tell us in EW)?

I tried to re-watch the cutscene again, but only got the "we will wait for the world to burst with vitality, then sacrifice it to bring back our people wh were sacrificed".

[Mirhd]

Getting sidetracked, but does anyone remember the reason why the Ancients want to bring back the people sacrificed to Zodiark, back in Shadowbringers (not the reason they tell us in EW)?

I tried to re-watch the cutscene again, but only got the "we will wait for the world to burst with vitality, then sacrifice it to bring back our people wh were sacrificed".

The reason has never changed, so I'm not sure why you're asking. They want to bring back the ones who were sacrificed precisely because they were sacrificed. They want to bring back their families and friends.