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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewslam View Post
    Roulettes assign a random duty based on available duties and parties searching, IIRC. Many people in this thread are proposing people be forced to do a duty based on their highest possible ilevel or character level which, yes, is forcing people to play a specific way. I sure don't want to do the nier raids every day, that sounds as boring as doing crystal tower every day. Crystal tower, even assuming people aren't manipulating their gear, gets more play than the others because it's the only alliance raid that's mandatory for the story so it's the only alliance raid everyone in the game has unlocked. It's also the lowest item level so everyone from ilevel 50(90?) to whatever's current is applicable for it. Statistically speaking, you're going to get CT far, far, more than anything else. But on top of that; it's fast, it's easy, it has rewards tied to shadowbringers' relic weapon, and its time to exp ratio is far better than any other alliance roulette. If I'm doing the alliance roulette while grinding my weekly tomestones I'm glad to get CT because that means it's going to be a fast run because I'll be honest: none of the alliance raids are particularly exciting after running them a dozen times, some less so than others. The fact that the other ones are longer and comparatively less rewarding just makes it suck to get them. Like getting Castrum instead of Praetorium for the daily MSQ roulette. But I don't see people throwing a fit and demanding we force people to march through the slog of castrum.

    If you want to do other alliance raids so bad, then queue for them. Trying to change the rules on how the alliance roulette works is only going to kill the alliance roulette as there's nothing to really compel people to even unlock the other alliance raids, leading to hilariously longer queue times as it stratifies people between the 50/60/70/80 tiers.
    then what is the point of creating 24 man content if you want to run them based on your selfish desires? both sides in this are just being selfish one side wants it for the easy tomes and the other side wants just to do other dungeons and reroute how alliance raids work...honestly the latter to fix requirement for alliance is better but they should be adjusted per time spent, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingskye View Post
    then what is the point of creating 24 man content if you want to run them based on your selfish desires? both sides in this are just being selfish one side wants it for the easy tomes and the other side wants just to do other dungeons and reroute how alliance raids work...honestly the latter to fix requirement for alliance is better but they should be adjusted per time spent, lol
    24 man content is created to either fill the gaps between raid tiers, or provide alternative venues for people who don't, or can't, do savage to progress even a little bit. It's not added to the roulette until some time after its release. You can manually queue for any of the alliance raids you want, the roulette isn't the only way to do them. The issue at hand is that some people are pinning the blame for the dramatically large chance to get CT solely on the small percentage of users who swap their gear out, rather than the far more likely scenarios of people leveling alternate classes, since CT will be the alliance roulette for you from 50-60, or simply not having bothered to unlock any of the other alliance raids since they're all optional and the game has had a huge influx of new players trying to rush the story. It sucks that people are bored of CT, but it's not going to go away from the alliance roulette any time soon. Especially not since it's mandatory for the story and so there'll always be parties in need for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewslam View Post
    24 man content is created to either fill the gaps between raid tiers, or provide alternative venues for people who don't, or can't, do savage to progress even a little bit. It's not added to the roulette until some time after its release. You can manually queue for any of the alliance raids you want, the roulette isn't the only way to do them. The issue at hand is that some people are pinning the blame for the dramatically large chance to get CT solely on the small percentage of users who swap their gear out, rather than the far more likely scenarios of people leveling alternate classes, since CT will be the alliance roulette for you from 50-60, or simply not having bothered to unlock any of the other alliance raids since they're all optional and the game has had a huge influx of new players trying to rush the story. It sucks that people are bored of CT, but it's not going to go away from the alliance roulette any time soon. Especially not since it's mandatory for the story and so there'll always be parties in need for it.
    Oh please share your data that proves the frequency of CT raids in the roulette is more likely a result of lvl 50-60s queuing rather than people nerfing their ilvl. I'll wait.

    In the meantime, I'll share my anecdotes. Every time I get a CT raid I will call out ilvl nerfers in raid chat about it, and almost every time I get a reaction from someone who admits doing it. The last run I did someone justified their reasoning for doing it because they didn't want to do "orbonne with a bunch of wow refugees". What a pathetic excuse. These people are babies who can't handle challenging raids where things might go wrong, and so they force 23 other people with them into the easiest and most boring raid tier. If a scaling ilvl requirement on the alliance roulette causes these people to no longer queue for it, then that would be a bonus improvement to this roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred-Oblivion View Post
    Oh please share your data that proves the frequency of CT raids in the roulette is more likely a result of lvl 50-60s queuing rather than people nerfing their ilvl. I'll wait.

    In the meantime, I'll share my anecdotes. Every time I get a CT raid I will call out ilvl nerfers in raid chat about it, and almost every time I get a reaction from someone who admits doing it. The last run I did someone justified their reasoning for doing it because they didn't want to do "orbonne with a bunch of wow refugees". What a pathetic excuse. These people are babies who can't handle challenging raids where things might go wrong, and so they force 23 other people with them into the easiest and most boring raid tier. If a scaling ilvl requirement on the alliance roulette causes these people to no longer queue for it, then that would be a bonus improvement to this roulette.
    Honestly, the situation is getting really bad. Today I got Puppet, which made me super excited, both because it's my favorite AR, and because after weeeks of only CT over and over I feel sick as soon as I see it.
    But others were complaining instead. Someone said they were dressed for CT, not for Bunker (I guess undergeared but still not enough not to be put there?), someone else was complainng the whole run about how long the place is and then asked in alliance who was responsable of making us end up there/who queued for it, like a sort of witch hunt.

    It's awful and it only gets worse. Like getting that crappy place over and over (with people getting more and mroe resistant to actually doing mechs in it) wasn't bad enough, now we get even people who think they're entitled to have the whole roulette equal CT or it's the end of the world.
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