Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[BaconBits]

Spoken like someone that doesn't tank. While I would agree that tanking in FFXIV has been dumbed down immensely, simply not facing a mob in the right direction can cause massive trouble for your party. And you'll absolutely hear all about it from the other players if you do.

What fascinates me about this thread is the amount of DPS players telling tanks that they are just whiny entitled brats who have it incredibly easy...yet don't play tanks and wonder why their queues are always waiting on tanks.

Weird that the easiest role to play that is totally treated super fair by everyone else is the least played one. I wonder why...

Yes, because facing an enemy away from the party and making sure it's butt isn't against the wall/in lava (if it even has a butt) is so difficult. The game even does your work for you nowadays since bosses will often rush back or teleport to the center of an arena to execute mechanics. And don't even get me started on single pulling tanks that act like they have bones of glass and skin of paper, fragile little primadonnas that'll throw a hissy fit if someone so much as suggests that it's okay to pull more than one group at a time.

What fascinates me about these kinds of threads are the amount of cowardly tanks that are dead set on going against the tank fantasy, namely throwing yourself into an entire horde of enemies without a care in the world and coming out on top. Then they wonder why DPS are running ahead of them and Healers are rescuing them into packs of mobs.

You wanna know the real reason why people prefer to play DPS instead of tanks? Because they're piss boring, that's why.

[LitheSuxman]

My only complaint about the job is that it should have called Knight instead of 'paladin'.

[icrot]

Only 4 posts and the WoW card was played already. Impressive.

[UkcsAlias]

You wanna know the real reason why people prefer to play DPS instead of tanks? Because they're piss boring, that's why.

Its because of the same symptom as wow faces. Tanks get blamed on most. And this DPS behaviour is only a confirmation on that. Its not because the tank is boring, for someone who likes tanking, this 'i can just dive in' behaviour is what makes them interesting.

For some people healer is boring because you entirely rely on your team to do anything in the first place, but thats not what makes healing interesting. The actual problem is that it first needs the other team members to take more risk, and this option for risk is simply missing in most dungeons.

This is also caused by the way dungeons are balanced. Put a too low ilvl and there is no point to gear up. Put a too high ilvl and players will steamroll it every time. Put a high ilvl and balance it to that ilvl will cause many players to struggle without the required gear. And add too many versions of those dungeons and it starts to become a confusing mess (as after all, you need to name each of them in a clear way). At least for that last part i can come up with a solution, like for example naming them like: Satasha (hard+), where the + marks the max ilvl of lvl50 and sets a hard cap on that, while enemies values are just scaled to that gear (the dungeon is otherwise just the same as the regular hard one). But yeah, rewards would still need adjustment here in order to keep it rewarding (which if you are maxed out, isnt realy possible). Thats where the real issue is. Once dungeons are balanced, tanks no longer have to rush, as that will just backfire.

[Floortank]

If the DPS are not doing their rotation properly, or single targeting, you can bet I'll pull single or double at max, and I don't care if they cry about it.

And I am a habitual wall puller.

It's not just the tank's fault every time, just like it's not the tank's choice every time. Pull style is a group effort.

[Puremallace]

It is just how it is in FF14. There is no Mythic type difficulty so most people treat dungeons like a chore they have to do on a check list, hence the pull pull pull mentality of just get it over with philosophy. Tanks have enough mitigation that there is no legitimate excuse for not pulling door to door and healers have far more than enough oGCD abilities to handle just about anything these days.

[Undeadfire]

Tanks are completely expendable. You don't need a tank to finish any of the dungeons in the entire game. Moreover, if a tank isn't pulling wall to wall, he's completely useless to a party because literally everyone, be it a healer or another dps, can tank single pulls/single groups.

And if you got you pull you tank, tank in your party, continue anyway and prove they're useless without wall pull.

[Araxes]

Try savage. As a Tank you arent allowed to roll on items cause DPS is all that matters and as soon as the DPS are geared they suddenly got no time for raiding anymore.

[Breakbeat]

Why is everyone here so angry at each other?

People hurt. Hurt causes pain, pain turns to anger, anger comes out in discussion. This is literally our world since we've all been "online" - but more accurately since we created social media and started carrying a connection to social media on our hips. No one feels they need to suppress pain or anger or any emotion that they would normally suppress face-to-face in real life. And this, itself, is because many people teach their children that "online doesn't matter," or "it's only the internet, behave how you want," or the parents themselves are racked with pain and anger and that pain seeped into their spawn.

We also have seven-year-olds watching beheadings and other hardcore material on various websites. That ain't good for human development.

Realize also that video game forums are largely populated with younger folks that, at times, can have a hard time expressing themselves. You also have the whole "teenage angst" thing going on for many. One would have a much different experience on a forum about books or health or something similar - anything that isn't A) aimed at children, and B) a game that frustrates people.

We weren't like this pre-#socialmedia. Why? Because if you had a complaint or problem or you verbally expressed your pain pre-#socialmedia, it only fell on the ears of your siblings, family, or real-world friends, which amounted to, what, ten people? Maybe? More likely five or six; one yelled at their brother and then bitched to their four closest friends.

Was the pain still present? Of course -- the pain has been present for time immemorial. But the way we handled it... the way we interacted with others when we disagreed or felt pain - that has changed drastically. No one, and I mean NO ONE ever used to walk up to random folks on the sidewalk and try to tell them how to behave or why their problems weren't valid or just to belittle and bully the person in general. Now, though, people "virtually" do this all day, and it's really sad human behavior.

One day we will get it, inevitably, and start behaving online as we do in person. It's far off, though... looking at society today with its pre-occupation with which box each individual fits in, and the nonsense ideals we perpetuate because we "read it on Reddit" - I'd say it's thirty or fifty or a hundred years off.

We used to physically whip people when we didn't like their ideas, before that we burned them, and before that we just came out of our caves and hit our neighbors over the head with clubs if we didn't agree with them. We moved past that... maybe we will move past this.

Ain't gonna be in my lifetime, though. Take one look at online angst. It's gonna take decades of education and changing viewpoints to even begin to gain a basic understanding of how we should be behaving online (which is sad, actually, because a few of us do get it, already.)

[Ultaniku]

No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children.

All I will say is this particular statement is wildly inaccurate. Any role can and will have to deal with this. As a healer main yourself you should know healers deal with this as well. Hell even more knowledgeable dps can have struggles with this when it comes to people in the other roles.