The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion

[Imoen]

In 70 content, Ruin III is stronger than your Garuda Rite quickcasts.

Genuinely curious.

Is it though? A partial cast is not a full cast and we are still going to pop our Bahamut proportionally and hardcast at least one of Ifrit before getting to a second cycle of ruda, which is where the pot gain would be, on a second full cycle, right?

I'm only asking because it seems like you have put a lot more thought into the actual numbers than I have. Anyway sorry for the silly question.

[Aikaal]

Genuinely curious.

Is it though? A partial cast is not a full cast and we are still going to pop our Bahamut proportionally and hardcast at least one of Ifrit before getting to a second cycle of ruda, which is where the pot gain would be, on a second full cycle, right?

I'm only asking because it seems like you have put a lot more thought into the actual numbers than I have. Anyway sorry for the silly question.

At level 70 content, your Garuda Rite attacks are 180 potency; 120 PPS. Ruin III is 310 for 2.5 cast so it's 124 PPS. You do have Garuda Rite has a mobility option but essentially it is weaker. Ifrit Rite is 128.57 PPS and Titan Rite is 120 PPS.

Both Garuda and Titan are quick cast options however but hey, I ain't SE doing all that balance. If you ask me, I do question and find it question that at 90 Topaz Rite is a quickcast with an oGCD that is your highest PPS spell just behind your Phoenix GCDs but above your Bahamut GCD. I say that because Ruby Rite spells are long casts and do less DPS. Slipstream is a long cast and deals less DPS also. So in situaiton you gotta sac multiple GCDs, why would you ever pick the casts options when the instant casts are stronger? There's no reward in risking it.

Also, I got to prog P3S and I swapped from SMN to RDM. RDM really has no issue there, if anything, hitting Resolution on the boss + 2 darkflames is pretty dope. Personally as a main SMN who knows exactly how to optimize SMN and a seasoned RDM who knows the job and is still figuring the optimal options and still drifts his oGCDs. It's just a straight win for my group if I got RDM and bring Magick Barrier and raise for progression because wipes are a thing. As an additional bonus, I just do the same damage.

However, p3s is already a terrible fight to claim good performances as the community deemed unworthy to include the entire add phase. I understand why, you can't have a strat involving 1 person AoEing the whole phase. but that would mean, in order for me to get a good performance, I will be spending about 20 seconds just casting Ruin III on Summoner to just align my Bahamut with buff windows. That's an awful decision as a progression / kill time perspective but it is the smartest option for my own selfish performances.

[Imoen]

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Thanks, I get the pps thing, but I assume there is only so many spells you can actually cast between Demi cycles. So I guess I was curious if you actually got the benefit of casting the Ruin over the Rite or if by doing that, you were delaying Demi slightly or something, since Ruda's Rites shorten the GCD. (Or if you end up with extra dead time using Rite)

I'll have to sit down and look at it at some point lol. Like from what I saw in HoH you can do 4 charges of Rite in 6 seconds. Ruin can only get two casts in that same time frame (Since a partial cast is not a cast at all) and that puts Rite ahead of Ruin in that context. It was a quick glance though so, ya that's why I was curious. Anyway, I don't want to veer off topic, that just caught my eye and got me curious.

[Sunako]

At level 70 content, your Garuda Rite attacks are 180 potency; 120 PPS. Ruin III is 310 for 2.5 cast so it's 124 PPS. You do have Garuda Rite has a mobility option but essentially it is weaker. Ifrit Rite is 128.57 PPS and Titan Rite is 120 PPS.

Ruin 3 is not 310 potency before lvl 84 trait?

[Aikaal]

Ruin 3 is not 310 potency before lvl 84 trait?

Oh, I didn't even noticed. It's 300 potency before 84. So it's a 120 PPS versus 120 for Garuda/Titan Rite., That said, it remains kinda similar, there's no gain or loss so yeah, you can just spam Ruin III if you don't need the mobility. Thanks for correcting me.