Quote Originally Posted by Kordarion View Post
The issue with that is that it appears as if the 1.0 echo has been retconned rather than being ignored for its inconvenience. Keep in mind I've never played 1.0, but from what I can gather from what I've seen in this thread that most of its unique parts, like interacting with the past through the echo seems to have been dropped started in ARR. And its not like this doesn't have a precedent, during his recent Radio Mog Station interview Yoshi-P stated that as of 3.0 the devs had completely rewritten the Ascian lore from 1.0 and ARR. So its not out of the realm of possibility it was dropped like Gelmora and Silvertear appear to have been.
The issue is they could easily rewrite Ascian lore because almost none of it had actually been written to that point. They were mostly an enigma, and nothing new they introduced really conflicts with what they had previously.

Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
Sure, but it's hardly reasonable to ignore what Venat tells us about how it works either.
The problem is that what Venat tells us and what we've seen doesn't line up. Not just in 1.0, but all the way from ARR to relatively recently. So instead of disregarding quite a lot of the game, I can only conclude that what Venat was saying doesn't capture the full picture.