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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    The difference between a Scion dying and a "literally who" character dying is that the impact upon the player and story is much higher for the prior -- and usually drives more of the narrative/shifts narrative. Thats why things like the previous three have been impactful as the story was impacted upon their sacrifices (which is kind of the whole point of that dungeon in EW).
    Sure I'll give that point, but the circumstances surrounding each of the appointed deaths weren't exactly just "Oh hey, death.". Like I said (and I'll expand), if Y'shtola had taken the place of the Satrap, then this discussion would not be about the absence of the death surrounding a Scion, but simply how anticlimactic said death was. Killing off Y'shtola because she presented little narrative relevance current would be meaningless. By contrast, Y'shtola dying trying to, or actually bringing about travel between reflections would be meaningful. A character death should be meaningful both because of what they believed, the circumstance surrounding their death, and not simply just because entirely of who that character is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Sure I'll give that point, but the circumstances surrounding each of the appointed deaths weren't exactly just "Oh hey, death.". Like I said (and I'll expand), if Y'shtola had taken the place of the Satrap, then this discussion would not be about the absence of the death surrounding a Scion, but simply how anticlimactic said death was.
    No one is saying they should kill them off for lulz -- we are saying that there are enough Scions with completed story arcs where an impactful death to SELL the story of the expansion is a useful tool (see Papalymo, Ysayle,). You build the story to this moment and pay it off. You have an entire narrative built around "anyone could transform and die" with no one of note doing either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K21 View Post
    No one is saying they should kill them off for lulz -- we are saying that there are enough Scions with completed story arcs where an impactful death to SELL the story of the expansion is a useful tool (see Papalymo, Ysayle,). You build the story to this moment and pay it off. You have an entire narrative built around "anyone could transform and die" with no one of note doing either.
    At this point I'm not even entirely sure if we're disagreeing.. My point was inferring the very point in your post (emboldened). On the latter point, Any given character can transform and die, but given the history of each individual scion I hardly find that the scions would just simply roll over in the face of despair. People only transformed in the face of despair. This narrative works well for less substantial characters, but for characters such as the scions? It's very anticlimactic
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