*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[MikkoAkure]

The Ancients have the Echo... she could have literally shown them the truth.

The Echo powers that the Ancients/Ascians have shown seem to limited to possession, teleportation without an aetheryte, and combining forms. Have they or the Ancients ever been shown to have powers of looking into the memories of another? if they had that power, I feel like it would've come up much earlier in Elpis when Emet-Selch initially did not believe our story. We have a soul so he could very easily have called forth that power to call us on our bluff if he had the capability.

As for Hermes, well, he was the only one that had made someone like Meteion *so far*. Given a bunch of motivated and intelligent people, who knows what they could have come up with.

There's a lot of assumption involved there. We already know that Fandaniel's understanding was required to allow Zodiark to pause the Final Days. To me it feels like it's too much to base your entire idea on why someone is bad because they didn't get help from a theoretical other person or group of people that we have no idea if they exist. There's also the fact that Emet-Selch also knows everything that's going on and our story and he allows us and Venat to escape Kairos and then says that the Ancients' plan would not have taken them this far at Ultima Thule.

No, I can't excuse or support Venat's actions. She divided the world and its people against their knowledge and their will. If someone started trying that in the game NOW while telling us that it's for the best because we don't meet up to their standards of what needs to be done/thought and that this is all a plan for the future, we would sure as heck try to stop em... And we would be right to do so. The fact that she's take up that whole mother position with us and constantly calling us her children makes it even worse. As someone who vehemently disavows what she did, constantly hearing "my children" drove me nuts. She destroyed the world, and then interjected herself as a deity figure after getting annoyed at her people for leaning on a deity figure...

Regarding Venat's actions, she saw them as necessary to stop the Final Days entirely AND necessary to stop the sacrifice of souls that were innocent to the sins of the past to be used to recreate the world of the dead. The summoners of Zodiark were tempered and aetherically unbalanced to the point where they couldn't even spend much time in the light of the First without discomfort. A revived Amaurot would be led by those whose wills are being tugged by a living god and 3/4 of the citizens would be those revived by said god. It would be naive to believe that their society would be the same after that.

Venat's plan may be contentious but as I had said, Emet-Selch himself agreed with it after we summoned him for the last time, and Elidibus as well, since he's the one who sent us to that specific point of time on purpose in order to save our world. By the end of the game, there are no defenders left for the original plan.

Additionally, Hydaelyn doesn't set herself up as a goddess, most people in the world don't even know she as an entity even exists. Outside of independent Echo users and organizations of Echo users like the Path of Twelve (later Scions of the Seventh Dawn) and the Students of Baldesion, that knowledge is limited to some Sharlayans as well as the leaders of Eorzea who themselves were notified by the Path of Twelve, which was a secret organization. Throughout the game, it's shown that the main religion in Eorzea is the Twelve and there's no talk at all about Hydaelyn (other than the name of the planet) outside the Walking Sands/Rising Stones. Individual normal people either pray to individual gods of the Twelve, kami, or their own local deities or spirits.