The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion

[Azuri]

Your initial list doesn't mention much in regards to increasing SMN complexity. Neither can I see anything about having less restrictive rotation, the point you have been so heavily hung up on. You just straight up asked to be put above Red Mage. If you don't see how this is not pleasant to read for a Red Mage player, spending a patch or two with the lowest damage might humble you a bit. You've had your time in the sun after SE hyperbuffed SMN early in ShB.

Also, if you wanted your thread to be a SMN circlejerk, don't name it "The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion". Name it like one of the other SMN only threads we have so many of.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Your initial list doesn't mention much in regards to increasing SMN complexity. Neither can I see anything about having less restrictive rotation, the point you have been so heavily hung up on. You just straight up asked to be put above Red Mage. If you don't see how this is not pleasant to read for a Red Mage player, speding a patch or two with the lowest damage might humble you a bit. You've had your time in the sun after SE hyperbuffed SMN early in ShB.

Also, if you wanted your thread to be a SMN circlejerk, don't name it "The current State of Casters 6.05 edition - balancing discussion". Name it like one of the other SMN only threads we have so many of.

Plz rdm was by far not the lowest DPS in ShBs. I don't ever remember rdms being kicked or not being picked over smns. So how about stop trying to play the victim card like rdm was a dead job in any expac. I know I never asked to be hyperbuffed any expac. I always personally believe rdm and smn should be very close together in damage with smn slight beating them bc of the utility and rezs rdm does bring to the table. No one attacked you and no one is asking for rdm to be nerfed. So come down back to reality and stop having a powertrip. Being better than smn has really gone to your head and infected your ego so much.

I mean, objectively speaking, RDM really did spend the vast majority of its existence a meme almost entirely because of SMN. It isn't unreasonable that people with a preference for RDM would like to be allowed to to do content outside of the first two weeks of it for once. Putting SMN above RDM is going to slide them right back to Rez Mage status, particularly with how low risk SMN is now. SMN definitely needs help, but putting it in a position where it begins to eclipse RDM all over again is not the way to go about it. RDM already gets hit pretty hard in the DPS when it has to employ its utility.

And to note, RDM was changed up a bit with Endwalker. It now requires two brain cells instead of one.

The ok question to you "Why should anyone bring a smn over a rdm?" Please tell me what benefits a party gets for deciding to bring a smn over a rdm right now? Also, rdm being meme is a community problem and not a balance problem. I remember smn in ShB switching to rdm bc they didn't like smn rotation and the ghosting pet had. So I don't believe in this whole" RDM was dead after prog" meme yall keep bring up. Also at least rdm saw action during prog. Smn won't even sees that right now.

[Absimiliard]

The ok question to you "Why should anyone bring a smn over a rdm?" Please tell me what benefits a party gets for deciding to bring a smn over a rdm right now? Also, rdm being meme is a community problem and not a balance problem. I remember smn in ShB switching to rdm bc they didn't like smn rotation and the ghosting pet had. So I don't believe in this whole" RDM was dead after prog" meme yall keep bring up. Also at least rdm saw action during prog. Smn won't even sees that right now.

Currently there is no reason to bring SMN over RDM. I'm not disputing that point. I'm merely observing that putting SMN back into a position of dominance is in fact going to shaft RDM yet again. It would be a lot easier if they would just take Verraise off of dual cast. If we're ignoring job complexity as a factor, then why not let them have roughly equal DPS and similar Raise access?

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Currently there is no reason to bring SMN over RDM. I'm not disputing that point. I'm merely observing that putting SMN back into a position of dominance is in fact going to shaft RDM yet again. It would be a lot easier if they would just take Verraise off of dual cast. If we're ignoring job complexity as a factor, then why not let them have roughly equal DPS and similar Raise access?

Honestly, I agree with you with that. I always believed rdm and smn should be almost equal in damage. Even now Im not asking for a huge dps buff to put us far ahead of rdm. I just want some slight adjustments so it doesnt feel like Im sandbagging my static for going as a smn. Right now I have no other opinion for a dps. We have two melees (rpr and nin), we have a mch and a 9th member who is the raid leaders brother who playing rdm. On nights where the mch cant come we be using the rdm so Im either have to stay smn, switch to blm, or switch to a phy range. I personally suck as blm and dont like the job at savage level of play, I dont care for most phy range outside dnc who is also having problems. Smn is my only choice and it feels bad bc I know I'm going to be useless compared to the rdm.

[Madoka]

bc I know I'm going to be useless compared to the rdm.

The rDPS difference isn't that drastic. The mean difference is within 100 dps since the phoenix buff, and peak performance has RDM at about 300 dps more than SMN.
Both are above MCH in each metric, though the whole team will be losing that 1% buff if nobody swaps to a ranged dps.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

The rDPS different isn't that drastic. The mean difference is within 100 dps since the phoenix buff, and peak performance has RDM at about 300 dps more than SMN.
Both are above MCH in each metric, though the whole team will be losing that 1% buff if nobody swaps to a ranged dps.

Its more of a personal thing than a team thing. They told me I could go rpr and have 2 rprs. Im not going to do that to the team bc I know it'll just make clearing harder and slower. I personally want to tribute as much as possible I can bc Im a good teammate and not selfish. I really really wanted to raid as a rpr this expac bc I love the job and the rotation as much I love smn but since someone called it months before EW came out I decided to step down and continue as smn. I just don't want to feel like I'm sandbagging the team by play an inferior caster. I want both rdm and smn to be valid in raiding but the only way we can do that is to either remove the rez from casters or nerf it, or slight rise smn dam so it can compete in prog and faster clears.