The coming balance changes to jobs

[KizuyaKatogami]

Just because he is not giving the adjustment you want and labelling him not play his own game is getting old.
Everyone knew he plays Black Mage.

Does he play a healer? Nupe. As a developer you’d think you’d play a bit of everything to feel how it is and if it needs adjustments. Yet every expansion it’s always the same. Dps get the attention, tanks get a bit more but not much, and healers are in their own corner left sulking. They literally didn’t even address the biggest blatant problem which is whm mp so that’s pretty telling as you can notice it as a problem within 5 minutes of playing the job lmao.

[IchiExorz]

What makes you think number of oGCDs = hard? DRG has tons and tons of oGCD and is one of the easier Jobs.

Lots of OGCDs means busy, not hard.
If someone says busy i'm assuming they mean they got lots of buttons to press.

[Skivvy]

Does he play a healer? Nupe. As a developer you’d think you’d play a bit of everything to feel how it is and if it needs adjustments. Yet every expansion it’s always the same. Dps get the attention, tanks get a bit more but not much, and healers are in their own corner left sulking. They literally didn’t even address the biggest blatant problem which is whm mp so that’s pretty telling as you can notice it as a problem within 5 minutes of playing the job lmao.

I don't touch savage content, so maybe WHM MP is an actual concern there, but I have also seen people complaining about WHM in basic content (MSQ trials, basic roulette content, etc), and that's what is making it hard for me to take the MP complaint that seriously.

Yes, MP does seem to go down a little bit quicker these days, but it's still very manageable if you're using your kit properly.

[Liam_Harper]

I don't touch savage content, so maybe WHM MP is an actual concern there, but I have also seen people complaining about WHM in basic content (MSQ trials, basic roulette content, etc), and that's what is making it hard for me to take the MP complaint that seriously.

Yes, MP does seem to go down a little bit quicker these days, but it's still very manageable if you're using your kit properly.

It's actually terrible at low level too, not just Savage. WHM doesn't get Assize and Thin Air until lv56+. Their GCD heals are the most expensive and they have the least number of oGCD's to supplement them, nor do they have Embrace or Kardia.

It's not that it's unmanageable, it's just that it's far worse than the other healers for no reason.

[Wyakin]

Love these kind of threads, they do tickle me. Such diverse and well informed opinions here

[Skivvy]

It's not that it's unmanageable, it's just that it's far worse than the other healers for no reason.

Fair enough if that's the case. I haven't really compared it to the other jobs and was basing it more at face value for how it plays in normal content, at least in my experience.

[Alpheus]

Just give Thin Air a latent effect "Latent effect: "Becomes ShB version of Thin Air"" Latent effect trigger: X amount of ppl in party dead on the ground. OR give WHM a MP cost reduction effect on Temperance but less powerful then Thin Air's current effect.

[Makeda]

So no mention of healers whatsoever? Goes to show they don’t play their own game lmao.

Have you not seen whm mp issues? Lol

This is a balance patch, not a gameplay patch. I'm guessing they do not yet see the MP issues you see. Is that issue widespread across the community or an individual player skill issue? I've yet to play my WHM this expansion, but I've run content with a few and have yet to see one run out of MP. If it becomes widespread it might show up in a later patch.

Trying to remember, don't they do more than one balance patch across the lifespan of an expansion?

I would hope so, and I would hope each such patch would be small - measured steps rather than major changes.

As for whether or not healers are happy - I'm guessing they judge this by different metrics than forums rants. People who are essentially happy don't tend to say much, so it's harder to gauge where they stand - but player activity is one way to do it.

[Waterscape]

I am so tired of people claiming they understand what a job needs and is when they don't even play it or even bothered leveling it, and we wonder why jobs are continually getting slower and simplified into the ground.

MNK is objectively a lot slower than SHB since they removed all but 1 of their ogcds and added them back as gcds. That's the rework in a nutshell, since the core rotation hasn't really changed since SHB. If you're going to claim removing ogcds make a job busier then you're just trolling or just plain wrong.

You are the troll here.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This is a balance patch, not a gameplay patch. I'm guessing they do not yet see the MP issues you see. Is that issue widespread across the community or an individual player skill issue? I've yet to play my WHM this expansion, but I've run content with a few and have yet to see one run out of MP. If it becomes widespread it might show up in a later patch.

Trying to remember, don't they do more than one balance patch across the lifespan of an expansion?

I would hope so, and I would hope each such patch would be small - measured steps rather than major changes.

As for whether or not healers are happy - I'm guessing they judge this by different metrics than forums rants. People who are essentially happy don't tend to say much, so it's harder to gauge where they stand - but player activity is one way to do it.

Healers are literally the least played role though. Considering how quickly that became a reality despite the role getting a new job should be pretty telling on how the role is perceived as a whole. They do a couple balance patches but the first patch is in history supposed to be one of the biggest ones and it literally has nothing for healers. Neither does this next one coming up either apparently. They don’t even use these forums for input anymore according to their own words. They use social media the likes of twitter and reddit more. Also why are we bringing up gameplay/balance? Mp issue addressing is a part of balancing lmao.