The coming balance changes to jobs

[Skivvy]

Does he play a healer? Nupe. As a developer you’d think you’d play a bit of everything to feel how it is and if it needs adjustments. Yet every expansion it’s always the same. Dps get the attention, tanks get a bit more but not much, and healers are in their own corner left sulking. They literally didn’t even address the biggest blatant problem which is whm mp so that’s pretty telling as you can notice it as a problem within 5 minutes of playing the job lmao.

I don't touch savage content, so maybe WHM MP is an actual concern there, but I have also seen people complaining about WHM in basic content (MSQ trials, basic roulette content, etc), and that's what is making it hard for me to take the MP complaint that seriously.

Yes, MP does seem to go down a little bit quicker these days, but it's still very manageable if you're using your kit properly.

[Liam_Harper]

I don't touch savage content, so maybe WHM MP is an actual concern there, but I have also seen people complaining about WHM in basic content (MSQ trials, basic roulette content, etc), and that's what is making it hard for me to take the MP complaint that seriously.

Yes, MP does seem to go down a little bit quicker these days, but it's still very manageable if you're using your kit properly.

It's actually terrible at low level too, not just Savage. WHM doesn't get Assize and Thin Air until lv56+. Their GCD heals are the most expensive and they have the least number of oGCD's to supplement them, nor do they have Embrace or Kardia.

It's not that it's unmanageable, it's just that it's far worse than the other healers for no reason.

[Skivvy]

It's not that it's unmanageable, it's just that it's far worse than the other healers for no reason.

Fair enough if that's the case. I haven't really compared it to the other jobs and was basing it more at face value for how it plays in normal content, at least in my experience.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't touch savage content, so maybe WHM MP is an actual concern there, but I have also seen people complaining about WHM in basic content (MSQ trials, basic roulette content, etc), and that's what is making it hard for me to take the MP complaint that seriously.

Yes, MP does seem to go down a little bit quicker these days, but it's still very manageable if you're using your kit properly.

I’ve been in dungeons with WHM, done some trials on it myself, and done the old Alliance raids. Keeping up with your ABC is manageable with very proactive Lucid management—but Raising outside of Thin Air, or being forced to GCD heal with anything other than Rapture is immensely costly. And it makes recovering incredibly difficult for the supposed “pure, burst healer” in this game. SGE is fairly punishing when you die on it, because you lose any stored stacks, and you already don’t have many burst heal options on the GCD. But I’ve found recovering with it far easier due to things like Rhizomata to grant me an Addersgall stack just to blow on healing myself and getting some mana back to hold me over until Lucid comes off cooldown.

Compare that to WHM: if you die, you can’t use Thin Air anymore to grant yourself a few seconds to recover the mana you’ve lost. You lose your lilies, so you have to hope you have Tetra or Bene to top yourself if your cohealer doesn’t help you out there. WHM doesn’t have that much recovery from a death now, in my opinion. And it also cannot carry a bad Alliance in an Alliance raid with anywhere near the reliability it could in SB or ShB.

And as Liam said, pre-Assize/Thin Air content is even worse because all you have are your costly GCD spells. I may not be the greatest WHM, but I’ve played it enough to know that, before now, I wasn’t going OOM just from casting a couple Medica IIs when people eat crap in World of Darkness (or when those gods forsaken meteor towers explode…). And I won’t touch Cure III with a 50-foot pole at its 1500 MP per cast when I’m standing there with 50-60% after a raise and here comes a raidwide. Pre-50 MP was never that great, but it was far more manageable pre-EW than it is now.

Except there are more logged parses of white mage than nearly every job, rivalling reaper. So much for being the least played job.

To be fair, they said least played ROLE. Not job. They’re talking about healers in general.

WHM has high uploads because of its ease of play versus the other healers and its usual counterpart AST. AST is, by comparison, very busy; WHM is very simple and a little braindead in terms of play. It’s also chosen for early Savage because it’s a very good prog healer due to raw potency and previous god-tier mana economy. I don’t know how it manages in Week 1 Savage right now, but my cohealer opted for AST strictly due to AST’s near-bottomless mana pool being very appealing for early progression. And, quite frankly, AST has just as good of healing as WHM.

WHM having high uploads isn’t anything new. And just because it has them doesn’t mean it doesn’t have issues that should be addressed.