The coming balance changes to jobs

[HyoMinPark]

Blame Gordias Savage for this. It was the hardest raid in the game, the one where healer DPS became mandatory. If not for that, people wouldn't be raging about healer DPS, and healers wouldn't have gotten nerfed due to people wanting to make it "easier" to perform well at.

Sad that it was too much of an ask to manage just two DoTs on WHM. WHM—you know, the easiest healer in the game. I’m not even talking about Cleric Stance dancing. Just simple DoT management. I’d give anything to have a second DoT with a different timer if it meant my rotation wasn’t DoT > nuke spell ad nauseam > DoT refresh > maybe I get to throw out a heal now in a semi-competent party.

The issue with things consistently becoming more and more easy is that it doesn’t teach improvement. If anything, with things constantly being changed and nerfed, it advocates the mentality of “cry loud enough about it and the devs will nerf it for us” versus “maybe I should practice juggling both Aero and Aero III. It can’t really be that difficult with practice, can it”. That argument was literally made about the current story mode trials in another thread. While not about job design, it’s still applicable to what has become of the healers since I started this game, in my opinion.



But putting all that aside and getting back on topic: the fact that WHM’s MP issues weren’t acknowledged at all in this patch truly astounds me. It needed to be acknowledged, and it just makes me wonder if the developers are out of touch with this concern, or simply don’t think it’s worth addressing. I really think they need to look into the complaints, and maybe add some sort of mana regeneration. Preferably at a pre-50 level because oh my God, the mana management on pre-Assize/pre-Lily WHM is terrible. It would benefit at level cap while providing early-level cushion when you don’t have resource-free healing available.

I guess at least Yoshida acknowledged that DNC’s personal damage was too low?

[Quintessa]

So no mention of healers whatsoever? Goes to show they don’t play their own game lmao.

I would be with you there if this were some other game company, but our director here is a gamer like you and I (unlike the CEO dude..) and plays BLM. He's also a WoW enthusiast and has played that.

[Kolsykol]

It's good to be the king.

Won't be king anymore if others get buffed.

Buffs feel better than nerf and people get less upset about them, but I don't think they're always healthy for the game.
In Heavensward I remember MCH and BRD being buffed so much that it was better to go with two physical ranged over casters...
And the power creep makes content too easy at some point.

I think some Jobs atm need buffs while others ( like RPR ) needs a nerf.
You can achieve the same effect through buffs too but I dunno.

[HyoMinPark]

I would be with you there if this were some other game company, but our director here is a gamer like you and I (unlike the CEO dude..) and plays BLM. He's also a WoW enthusiast and has played that.

I think that, while the developers may play the game, they don’t consider the way the playerbase plays it. Which is what will ultimately matter. It doesn’t matter if the devs had an “intended way to play” if the community plays in another way. You can kind of see this when the community comes up with a strat to handle X mechanic that either completely invalidates it (LB cheesing), or wasn’t at all how the developers wanted them to perform it (UwU’s Woke mechanic).

That said, they are also out of touch with a lot of gameplay aspects in this game. The most prominent being back in SB when they outright admitted they never balanced BRD and MCH with piercing in mind, and then we’re genuinely shocked when any physical ranged player who cared about their damage always wanted to be paired with a DRG. And that the physical ranged were so strong. That was some serious out of touch right there.

[Kes13a]

All that I'll say is that everyone who plays the game should always be free to provide their feedback on how their job feels. You may agree with, you may not. The game designers should however always review said feedback.

This holds for all roles. Neither you nor I can or will know if Yoshi-P will make extensive changes to healing but we are free to ask for them as people who play the game.

By the way, instead of being so dismissive, perhaps if certain roles haven't been happy for quite a while, there could just be a valid reason in some cases?

the majority of people unhappy with healing... is because they want to do MORE DPS. they dont want to queue as DPS, they want to queue as healers for faster times and only do DPS in dungeons.

so as a healer main, I cannot say there is a "valid reason" since my primary role is a healer, who can DPS on downtime. not as DPS who tosses out a heal or two if people complain about dying

[KizuyaKatogami]

I would be with you there if this were some other game company, but our director here is a gamer like you and I (unlike the CEO dude..) and plays BLM. He's also a WoW enthusiast and has played that.

My point was they don’t play their own game as in the roles in that game. It’s very clear they don’t play healers, we know Yoshi plays blm and it’s the job getting constant qol and improvements every expansions. The bias is there and the lack of attention for other roles is there.

[KizuyaKatogami]

the majority of people unhappy with healing... is because they want to do MORE DPS. they dont want to queue as DPS, they want to queue as healers for faster times and only do DPS in dungeons.

so as a healer main, I cannot say there is a "valid reason" since my primary role is a healer, who can DPS on downtime. not as DPS who tosses out a heal or two if people complain about dying

You hardly do any healing is the problem though. 90% of healing is Ogcd’s. Which means your main gcd you are spamming is a one button dps. Healers hardly heal anymore especially when most of the dps and tanks have crazy heals and mitigations added this expansion. They then proceed to say that they’re going to make healers heal more this expansion but that literally isn’t the case. It’s still the same ole formula.

[Komarimono]

My point was they don’t play their own game as in the roles in that game. It’s very clear they don’t play healers, we know Yoshi plays blm and it’s the job getting constant qol and improvements every expansions. The bias is there and the lack of attention for other roles is there.

We don't really know that as a fact though, that's purely conjecture. I believe almost all the developers play the game, and I'm sure they play more then just a BLM since Yoshida does.

[Fourbestintoner]

Do they still think trick attack is 10% or do they only really want ninja to die? TA only brings around 600 rdps, not 1200.

sam, monk and blm are busy and need buffs

Is this a joke?

[Divinemights]

So no mention of healers whatsoever? Goes to show they don’t play their own game lmao.

Just because he is not giving the adjustment you want and labelling him not play his own game is getting old.
Everyone knew he plays Black Mage.